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May 8, 2012

Big Neighbor, Petty Thinking

the construction of the Tipaimukh Dam and the river-interlinking project had become issues of grave concern for the public in Bangladesh.

Suffice it to say, the concern is rooted in findings and conclusions of experts, not only in Bangladesh but also in India, about the threat that the mega projects pose to the life and livelihood, the economy and ecology of the people on either side of the border. Worrying still, the Indian government has thus far displayed not only apathy but also antipathy to the concerns and interests of Bangladesh.

Continued torture and killing of Bangladeshis by the Border Security Force; India’s persistent refusal to remove tariff and para-tariff barrier to exports from Bangladesh; and address trade imbalance, etc bear testimony to this end.

Overall, the Indian government needs to realise that the people at large in Bangladesh have very few reasons to keep faith in what it says and that it is time that it started delivering on its assurances and reassurances. Meanwhile, conscious sections of society in Bangladesh need to reach across the border and forge alliance with like-minded groups in India that are also concerned about the economic and ecological fallout of their government’s river-linking and Tipaimukh plans so as to sustain pressure on New Delhi to shelve the projects.

The New Age editorial has summarised what the Bangladeshi posters in the PDF have been pointing out throughout the year in various posts. India is a silly big country with a 3rd class mind. It promises something that it does not want or has the ability to deliver. Pranab’s $200 million donation promise is such a meaningless promise. His bigotic mind wanted to show a kind of shrudeness by making such a false and hollow promise.

Indian govt makes this kind of hollow promises also to the African countries, as if India is a saviour of mankind while that country floates on a raft to be drowned soon. What is the value of this kind of promise unless it is wrapped with a signed ‘Agreement’ between the two countries. For reasons like these India is not and cannot be trusted by the people of Bangladesh to whom the word ‘Wada’ has a very deep and BINDING meaning.

A wada must be fulfilled, otherwise, a person or a country loses his or its face. But, Indian bigots have no deep affiliation with this word ‘Wada.’ To them it is just a word to play with the future of its neighbours.

Being generous is against their nature. Look they have created such vibes that by not building an upstream dam they would be doing us such a great favor that would only single-handedly outweigh all the possible advantages of BD’s allowing them the transit. In fact they wouldn’t be giving anything if they agree to our demand, they would just refrain from fulfilling a criminal intent. ‘Big neighbor with a petty mind’ is all that we have to keep in mind when we are dealing with India.

Bro do we even need their $hitty wadas? We have been doing fine for the last 40 years and Inshallah
we can stay like that for the foreseeable future. Any kind of realtions with india is like
intentionally falling into a death trap. They always have illogical abdars like the NE corridor
which is suicidal for us.

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May 8, 2012

Bollywood and the Muslim Other

Bollywood reflects India and has subsequently become an inseparable part of people’s imagination, lived experiences, customs and traditions. Bollywood and its engagement with the Muslim as a subject has encountered an imperative shift over a period of time. From lethargic Nawabs, Badshahs and nobles, Muslims have been reduced to people having blind faith in Jihad. The historicization of Bollywood’s long Muslim obsession is thus an exploration of how this obsession fits into the relationship between Indian Bollywood and the Muslim subject.
The historicization of Bollywood’s obsession with Muslim can be broadly and loosely classified into four different phases. In the movies of the fifties to the seventies like Mughl-e-Azam, Shah Jahan, Nikah, Bazaar etc, Muslims were characterized as a community which can be assimilated into the fold of Hindu India but always with suspicion. The second stage which started in the eighties with focus on Mumbai’s underworld mafia depicted Muslims as central characters dominating the underworld. Smugglers wearing Arab robes, puffing cigars, carrying briefcases were a common element in these films. The third phase started with Mani Ratnam’s flamboyant narrative of guns and roses – Roja. The Muslim as “other’ in the form of Pakistan through Kashmir was manifested in a series of movies that revolved around this topic. In these films, it was the Indian ‘Self’ investing all its energy to protect the motherland from the attack of the ‘other’, Enemy Number 1, Pakistan. These films largely helped to divert the attention of the Indian masses by concealing the prevalent socio-political inequalities of Indian society behind images of nation and nationality. The fourth stage of Bollywood’s engagement with Muslims is the post 9/11 phenomenon. Here, it is not India that is fighting with the ‘other’ but a replacement in the form of the West. The Indian Self has been replaced by its Western counterpart while the enemy has remained the same. Films like New York and Kurbaan fall under this category.
In the films that were made in the fifties with the Muslim subject at the centre, an attempt was made to portray Muslims as a faintly differentiated section of Indian society. In films like Umrao Jaan, Mere Huzoor and Pakeezah, Muslims were revealed as an aristocratic class, delighting themselves watching mujrahs and splurging money on the girls performing mujrahs. The apparatus used in these movies was to depict the Muslim as a category madly in pursuit of pleasure and hungry for wealth. Some movies like Mughl-e-Azam scaled the graphs of fame with the Muslim as an essential character confirming what the general masses accepted – Muslims as creatures that can be assimilated as a part of Hindu Indian society. It was evident through these movies that there lies a regional blend that distinguishes Indian Muslims significantly from Muslims of the Arab heartland. Religious tolerance and the tendency among Indian Muslims to synthesize with local customs were distinctive features of these movies. In this genre, Muslim men were shown wearing Aligarh cut Sherwanis, chewing betel nut and reciting Iqbal’s or Ghalib’s poetry at the drop of a hat. The moment such caricatures appeared on the screen, the audience knew that it is time for a Qawwali, h or Ghazal. Qawwalis and Mujras became synonymous with Muslim culture.
Later Bollywood film makers with films like Elan and Salim Langde Pe Mat Ro took a slightly different turn by disparaging the aimlessness of lower middle class Muslim youth. Films like Bazaar and Nikah with their high dose of Muslim social melodrama tried to reveal the domestic customs and traditions in Muslim society. While Nikah represented Talaq (divorce) as a means of suppression and marginalization of Muslim women, Bazaar on the other hand depicted the cruelty of poverty stricken Muslim families in marrying their under aged daughters to elderly Arab men. These movies stand as a watershed in highlighting Muslims as negative quality bearers with ‘unsophisticated’ dreams. Finally, the connection was ‘instituted’ between Indian Muslim and Arab Muslim.
The third remarkable shift in the late seventies and eighties was the portrayal of Muslims as characters central to Mumbai’s underworld. The Muslim characters since then also started becoming negative in Bollywood movies. Movies like Ghulam-e -Mustafa and Angar started this trend and became popular with the masses. The innate criminal instinct within the Muslim psyche was the central ideology circulated through these movies. The Muslim as a bohemian character with unnatural desires for accumulating wealth remained the core theme in these movies. In this genre, people were made to believe in perceiving Muslims as a threat to institutional apparatus of the state. The minor connection between Indian Muslims and Arab Muslims instituted through movies of the early seventies was permeated profoundly through these images. In these images, the Indian Muslim’s underworld connections were shown as impossible without the support of Muslims carrying out the same activities at the international level.
The 1965 war between India and Pakistan over Kashmir and the 1975 war over Bangladesh facilitated Indian Bollywood to successfully and legitimately portray Muslim as ‘Other’ through Pakistan. The multi-ethnic, multi-national composition of India and absence of shared culture and symbols among Indian people made it necessary for Bollywood to construct images of India depicting the Indian state as sustaining and restraining the festering contradictions.
By constantly engaging people’s priorities vis-à-vis Kashmir and thereby of Pakistan, the aim was to define and solidify the nation state. For ordinary Indians possessing layers of identities, their identification with the Indian state operates in different contexts. An inclusive Indian gains pre-eminence when confronted with Muslim Pakistan. The unique thing about jingoistic films was their core theme of presenting Kashmir as atoot ang (integral part) of India. In 1999, the Kargil War played a distinctive role in making Kashmir central to the definition of Indian national unity. The Kargil episode, for the first time inspired a Post Independence India which for the first time during and for a short while after the Kargil episode stood together, shoulder to shoulder – something which had never occurred before. Advertisement of national pride through films enabled for the first time in 52 years, an image of this nation truly united as one, cutting across all barriers of caste, class, creed and community.
In order to liberate Kashmir from Islamic fundamentalist terrorists, the Indian armed forces were portrayed as the male protagonists, battling for the cause of humanity. It thus became inescapable to make films on Kashmir, without incorporating the message of Kashmir as national project. In almost all these movies, Muslims were branded either as terrorists or fanatics whose desires were pre-modern, not fitting into the Western democratic liberal model. There was a flagrant significance in the titles of movies itself – Mission Kashmir, Fannah (Destruction)), Dhokha (Betrayal).
It was with Mani Ratnam’s Roja that for first time the Kashmir problem was publicized on the big screen. According to Nicholas Dirks, there is one scene where hero, Rishi Kumar saves the flag and rises, still on fire, to avenge the perpetrators of symbolic violence, with the soundtrack building in momentum to a song by Subramaniam Bharati that evokes the geographical unity and integrity of the Indian nation. The scene is framed in a manner that seems clearly to set Islam against the principles of Indian nationalism – by shots of the main terrorist calmly praying to Allah. Various reports from viewers around India suggest that the visual pleasure of national spectator is at its peak and that audiences are most demonstrative during this scene of patriotic self sacrifice. In films like Dhokha and Chak De India, it was the loyalty of the Indian Muslim that was put to question. If Kabir Khan as the National hockey team Coach in Shahrukh Khan starred Chak De India raised doubts regarding the loyalty of the Indian Muslims towards the Indian nation, in Dhokha it is Zaid Ahmad Khan (ACP), a true, secular Muslim struggling to prove his credentials of being a loyal citizen of India that audiences are faced with. Mukesh Bhatt’s Muzammil Ibrahim starred ‘Dhokha’ or ‘Betrayal’ is a Bollywood offering that raises several questions about Muslims and their identity in India. Coming out of the rhetoric of his fluffy musicals for the first time, Mukesh Bhatt’s Dhokha tries to get to the bottom of the delicate question of Hindu-Muslim antagonism. On the night of a lethal bombing at the New Century Club in Mumbai, Zaid helps the horrified victims in the blast. Zaid offers to donate blood to one of the injured, believed to be a Hindu. The dilemma mounts when the father of the injured disdainfully refuses to receive any aid from Zaid saying he would rather see his daughter dead than let the blood of a Muslim, ‘a traitor, perfidious creature’ flow through his daughter’s veins. Though the film progressively engages itself with denouncing the people who spread terror in the name of religion and tries to find reasons for the root cause of terrorism, it fails to provide a solution to the Islamophobia that is deeply inculcated in the psyche of the general masses. With Dhokha which begins with the cataclysmic 9/11 attacks, a link is created between Bolloywood and the Muslim subject that has been borrowed by other film makers. This defines the entry of Bollywood’s rendezvous with the Muslim Subject into a new stage. Kurbaan and New York are the examples of this genre, where it is not India but the west that is fighting the same ‘Other’.
A plethora of movies have been made by Bollywood where actresses have played much more audacious acts prior to Kareena’s bare backed posture. It is a matter of concern why it was only Kareena Kapoor who was censured for her bare backed pose in the film. The film was released at a time when the theme of ‘love jihad’ was circulating rapidly in the media. Kurbaan which depicts Kareena Kapoor playing a Hindu girl falling in love with Muslim Saif Ali Khan raises a doubt as to whether it was the blaze of ‘Love Jihad’ that incited the Shiv Sena goons to object to Kareena’s bare back. After its rival MNS did its job of screwing Karan Johar’s happiness over Wake Up Sid, the Shiv Sena’s men marched to Kareena’s house to gift her a saree, and followed this up by going around Mumbai covering her back with sarees on posters of Kurbaan. Karan Johar could have thought of an even better way than this to turn heads. Kurbaan, which deals with the post 9/11 Muslim identity, widens the gap in Muslim stereotypes. In the film, Muslim women are shown as feeble and submissive, as victims of a patriarchal and misogynistic religion. Muslim men are typified as creepy, scary looking creatures who physically abuse their wives. The next offering by the director of Kurbaan, Karan Johar is Shah Rukh Khan starred ‘My Name is Khan’, probably revolving around the Muslim identity yet again.
Bollywood’s obsession with Islam thus far has always created a clichéd image of Muslims without having done much research on the subject. People have succumbed to the images produced by Bollywood thereby losing a healthy understanding of Muslim society. Now ask a director or story writer whether it is ethical to perpetuate ethnic and racial stereotypes and in a majority of cases, you will hear a big “NO”. Then why is it that the very same individuals who don’t intentionally believe in stereotyping fall in the trap of stereotyping Muslims? The major reason is that what these filmmakers and writers read, hear and see originate from print, radio and television. Modern day media fundamentally is about one sided flow of information –from West to Rest. In the dominant discourse, it is the West, portrayed as a civilized, sophisticated and modern civilization fighting ‘Just War’ against primitive, uncivilized Muslim aggression. The filmmakers in Bollywood also surrender to this west – oriented, magic bullet impact of the media and in this manner get ensnared in an invisible cage. The major obstacle is that these films are watched by less informed people and children having a rudimentary ability to differentiate between right and wrong. Not only children and the common masses, but even the relatively more well-informed cannot escape the power manifested in these images. Even though these films try sometimes to empathize with the Subject, they no longer help to reduce the bias but only make the categories Muslim and Hindu more stark. A child watching any of these films will for obvious reasons ask several questions regarding for example, the Hindu-Muslim dichotomy and the West-Muslim antipathy. What answer can the parent give? Will the answer be framed based on his/her prejudiced interpretation of Muslims in cinema or will it be one shaped by reality, which hardly anyone has access to?
There is no denying the fact that there are Muslim terrorists. There are also other terrorists who are everywhere and can be of any religion. Why it is always that the term “terrorist” is always attributed to Muslims while not to others who commit much more heinous crimes? Why it is that those committing such crimes are characterized as people fighting a ‘Just War’. What distinguishes a “just war” from an “unjust” one? In both cases, it is thousands and thousands of common people who are being massacred. What makes the prosecutors of Guatemala Bay and the slaughterers of Gujarat different from those attacking the twin towers? If there is a difference, then everyone can have a claim to be fighting a “Just War”. If Bollywood successfully carries the messages of Muslims as Other, why is there a lack of enthusiasm in portraying the reversal of the subjects of violence? How many films have been made by Bollywood on America’s War on Iraq? How many films have touched upon the issue of Guantanamo Bay?

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April 7, 2012

150 Pakistani Troops under avalanche and Indian Comments

Mauran (Mt.)
12 hrs ago (03:48 PM)
Couple of weeks ago, Sunni Jehadis, & not all Muslims, were Celebrating when 12 Indian soldiers lost their life due to avalanche in Kashmir. Well..with 140, their God, & not Muslims’s Allah, has given them 10 times more reason to celebrate today. Cheers to them.. RIP to the soldiers.

alla (in kabar) replies to Surah_Yaseen
11 hrs ago (05:15 PM)
Sports is HARAM. Music is HARAM. Movie is HARAM. Banana is HARAM. Cucumber is HARAM. Non-Muslim is HARAM. Bike is HARAM. Car is HARAM. Art is HARAM. Phone is HARAM. Non-Desert place is HARAM. Shia, Sufi, Ahmadi are HARAM…….Only Quran is HOLY……… DESTROY. KILL. BURN…….Oh wait!!! I am HARAM as I am not Quran. SUICIDE……. AllahoAkbar

Haji (ind)
12 hrs ago (04:39 PM)
When something good happens, mohammedans praise allah all the time, but what happens when bad happens to them? Do they blame mohamed and allah?

Dhanush (Idli Dosa Land)
11 hrs ago (04:48 PM)
Yalla Rascalla…..this is the handiwork of Rajinikanth. They messed with him while he was enjoying the snowfall in the Himalayas :)

kiran kumar (hyd)
11 hrs ago (05:26 PM)
Toi, first u should learn journalistic ethics. Kashmir is integral part of India. We Indians say Indian Kashmir and Pak occupied Kashmir. And The line between indo-pak in Kashmir, we called it ” Line of control (LOC)”. In your article somewhere u mentioned ” India trying to occupy the Siachen Glacier”, LOC as international border. Don’t take copies of Rioters and other news agency copies as it is. pls re write those copies.

Raam (BGL)
6 hrs ago (10:12 PM)
RIP soldiers… Even though you are our enemies.. To Protect your country’s interest in such a inhabitable condition is really appreciable. I salute your service for your nation like I am saluting my soldiers over there.. May your soul rest in peace…

Cartoon mohammed (India)
9 hrs ago (07:45 PM)
Q How many Muslims does it take to change a lightbulb? A: None, they prefer to sit in the dark and blame it on the Jews.

Nazam sethi (Pakipigs is dangerous animal)
12 hrs ago (04:11 PM)
Good news for human . Terrorist and paki soliers both r same work , kill always non muslim . Thank you god ?

Loti (UK)
12 hrs ago (03:48 PM)
What a waste of life and resources, all for a frozen waste land. It is remarkable that in this day and age, two countries with some of the finest brains in the world, are indulging in this. My heart goes out to the families of the dead who don’t even have the solace or pride of their loved one’s falling in combat.

Cartoon mohammed (India)
10 hrs ago (06:43 PM)
A Russian, a Cuban, an Englishman and a Pakistani are on a train. The Russian takes out a bottle of his best vodka, drinks a bit and throws the rest off the train and says, “There’s plenty more of that where I come from.” Everyone is impressed. The Cuban takes out one of the finest Havana cigars, takes one puff and throws it off the train and says, “There’s plenty more of those where I come from.” Again everyone is rather impressed. So the Englishman stands up and throws the Pakistani off the train.

harminder (delhi)
10 hrs ago (06:18 PM)
Dogvijay Singh and Rahul Gandhi will doubtlessly blame RSS and BJP for this too.And Mahesh Bhatt must be crying with Arundhati Roy.

GRA (Mumbai)
11 hrs ago (05:06 PM)
Life in sub continent is so cheap , the poor soldiers whether in India or in Pakistan are facing untold hardship without proper care in their work environments , the maximum defence expenditure is pocketed by politicians and bureaucrats in India and Army and ISI higher ups in Pakistan , Mr. Musharaf is living a Royal life in London , the poor Pakistani soldiers are dying in Siachen battlefield without proper Lifesaving instruments and felicities , the same thing is true with India also! India is not different from Pakistan, every defence deal there is looting of public money sub standard equipment and then CBI inquiry and no results for ever .

Varun (Bangalore)
12 hrs ago (04:45 PM)
People here are talking about Humanity, brotherhood…..etc… WTF!!! We were humane and spreading brothood before 12 th century… But what happened..?? Muslims and British ruled us, looted all our wealth & killed our people….!!! Enemy is a ENEMY… KILLING HIM IS A ONLY OPTION!!!

Baap (India)
11 hrs ago (04:52 PM)
Very bad news Indeed. A soldier is soldier irrelevant of their religion and country. RIP those brave souls. And middle finger to those who send these soldiers and leave them to die without fighting.

free advice (india)
12 hrs ago (04:03 PM)
They tried it in Kargil………. They died. Now, they tried it in Siachen….. They died. …………………. Now you know on whos side God is. All those occupying Indian lands……. Retreat to your respective lands (if you have any to call your own)

lachman (india)
12 hrs ago (03:48 PM)
its time the pakis vacate indian land a sign from allah calls for it

Fahim (Pakistan)
4 hrs ago (12:33 AM)
Brothers:: Don’t go by an anger and animosity exhibition by an average Pakistani. Let me tell you what reality is. We Pakistanis now that you guys are miles ahead of us. We know that an average Hindu is more productivity oriented and growth oriented. We also know that politicians in both the countries are the worst of creations. But still you guys are ahead of us. We show our resentment because we have failed. We show our anger because you are happy. We show that we are religiously ahead of you because that involves imagination and imagination does not need productive hard work. We like to fantasize about our advancement and growth. We are like children. We want/like to be told stories of our success. Only stories, no realities. If Hindus work in Saudi Arabia, we like to beat our drums that see, We are providing jobs to you kafrs. But we don’t like to mention that without those Hindus, useless Saudi Sheikh can’t even do the simplest of the tasks. So many of our Pakistani people are employed in India and India treats them well and we failed to reciprocate. Why is it always that India employs Pakistanis as if it is a usual course of an action; but Pakistan can’t employ any Indian? Why our Veena Malik finds employment in India but how many Indians found employment in Pakistan??? Why Pakistan always takes and still complains?

CultBuster (Khandhi Jagir)
10 hrs ago (05:54 PM)
To all bleeding heart Hindus here, does any one remember how Pakistan army treated Indian soldiers captured in war? Do you even know that under Congress leadership most of the news about the horrendous torture of Indian POWs by Paki animals never made it to Indian public? These animals will always plead humane and innocent when they are down but the moment they regain power they will start slashing throats in accordance with their barbaric cult.

Sourav (Ahmedabad)
12 hrs ago (04:20 PM)
What is wrong with us? Where is our compassion and trust me 130 soldiers who died were there because it was their duty to so as ordered by their superiors and not because they hated India. Something is wrong with us when all and so many of us can take pleasure in deaths of people who we do not even know Avalanches could have happened at our end as well and I wonder if Pakistanis would be doing the same as us

Jamina (singapore)
12 hrs ago (04:09 PM)
That is good news. We need more such Avalanches. Let us all do chandi homams and pray for the same.

Fahim (Pakistan)
5 hrs ago (11:40 PM)
My Indian Brothers:: I am on this forum being not a proud Pakistani but because I am pained. My pain needs to come out. It need an outlet. But that outlet was not provided to me by our own newspapers. They rejected me saying that I am a self hating Pakistani. Describing the truthful current situation to my own papers was an act of apostasy. As a matter of fact, all these present trouble which my beloved Pakistan is facing seems to be originating from a very simple fact. And that fact is Jinnah. How can a nation be established on the foundation of a religion? Why Muslims had to separate? Wasn’t it because of their Islamic identity? Jinnah offered Muslims “self-government”. Why Muslims should have a different selfhood to begin with? The problem with Islamic world is this very Islamic identity. Muslims cannot integrate with others and cannot co-exist with anyone else. They always see themselves as different. It is always “us” the Muslims vs. “them” the Kafirs. The power hungry Muslim politicians know that and they take advantage of this weakness for their own gain. Hatred is always a unifying force. So they incite the hatred of the non-Muslims and rally the benighted Muslims like flies around rotten meat. What the Pakistanis have to thank Jinnah for? For giving them an Islamic identity? For putting them in a state of constant warfare with their own Indian brethren? For forcing them to enter in an arms race with India and spend billions of dollars on defense and atomic bombs? Look at the irony of this. We have a stolen nuclear bomb but we don’t have an equipment to dig out our fallen soldiers in this avalanche. I am sorry brothers… I am angry and infuriated. I have lost the hope of my future. All I have is some unidentifiable phony and fake pride. What am I proud of? I don’t know… but I have been told time and again by my Umma to be proud of.

Fahim (Pakistan)
7 hrs ago (09:35 PM)
My Indian Brothers. I am not a proud Pakistani. I am a sad Pakistani. We have a nuclear bomb, but we don’t have the proper equipment to dig out our fallen in this avalanche. Daily bomb blast is our ritual. Killing is our national pride. Gory killing excites us. Blood gushing out of some poor soul’s head or torso because he does believe in our Allah(SWT) makes us feel a complete human. We oppress our womenfolk and we think that that’s the way it should be and not only that, but that is the only right way! I am sorry, I can’t go on anymore. My heart is crying, my soul is cringing, my humanness is crying out for me to do something. My beloved nation has been imprisoned by foolishness and ignorance. Don’t think for a moment that I am alone in this thinking. There are millions of well wishers out there in Pakistan who don’t give a two hoots about these bunch of mullas and clerics. We are helpless people. Those Hafiz Saeed and low life like him have made us useless heap of waste.

pth ggg (US)
3 hrs ago (01:04 AM)
For those who are celebrating this, remember the difference between soldiers and terrorists.. Soldiers are brave and die for the country.. they are even ready to die for some idiot politician.. Terrorists are cowards.they kill innocent people.. These soldiers were doing their duty just like the Indian soldiers.. RIP.. Terrorists should be hunted and killed.. The death of enemy soldiers is good news only in war time.. Right now , there is no war between the two.. Those who celebrate the death of innocent people (soldiers) are no better than terrorists

Cartoon mohammed (India)
4 hrs ago (12:14 AM)
A man walks into a sex shop in Jerusalem looking for a sex doll. Clerk: So what kind do you want? Jewish, Christian or Muslim? Man confused: What’s the difference? Clerk: The Muslim one blows itself up.

Ashish (Jamshedpur, Jharkhand) replies to Evert Wesker
5 hrs ago (10:53 PM)
Hi Evert Wesker, referring to your words “I think that the strategic as well as the economic value of this area (the Siachen and the Baltoro glaciers) is virtually non-existent.”.. Siachen glacier sits right atop the tri-junction of pakistan-india and china. Not only does it provide a vantage point for indian soldiers to check advances of pakistani troops, but also allows them to hold a birds eye view of the movements between pakistan and china along the sagksham valley. Hence its strategic importance is unparalleled. We have already seen what happened in the winter of 1998 when India had less soldiers on the border, Pakistani soldiers occupied most strategic peaks and what followed was a war. We can not afford that to happen in Siachen. Coming on the economy aspect, I have not heard any instance where a country has given up its hold on any land because it had no economic vale. Can you ask China to vacate Aksai Chin because not even a blade of grass grows there ? Can you ask USA to give up parts of montana , dakotas and death valley in california because nothing happens there ? Gist of the matter is economic values do not decide whether a country should hold its territory or not. A country that is ambivalent about its border areas, loses its territory inch by inch. Its this callous attitude that enemy consolidates on. And when the enemy decides to launch an offensive, the country stands a lot to lose. Having said that, you should be thankful to the Indian army for allowing you to trek in those areas.

Ashish (Jamshedpur, Jharkhand) replies to Raam
6 hrs ago (10:33 PM)
Only a hindu can say something like that.

Diven (Ind.)
7 hrs ago (09:39 PM)
According to BBC, Muslim regime in Syria has killed 133 civilians today and 10,000 in last 8 months (all fellow Muslims). In AfPak, Muslims blow up Muslims in mosques and funerals and here Muslims are complaining about the comments from Indians!!! What a joke.

Cartoon mohammed (India)
10 hrs ago (06:45 PM)
American, a Punjabi and a Paki Mulla got caught smoking pot by the police in Saudi Arabia. So they all got ten lashes each. American got called first, the Police officer says to him since it is eid today you can have one wish before the lashes. The american asks for a pillow to be tied to his back, his wish was granted, and after ten lashes the pillow is in shreds the American is in bad shape blood every where. Next comes the Paki Mulla, the police grants him a wish of two pillows tied to his back. After ten lashes the pillows are in shreds the Paki is in a bad shape and blood is every where. Then comes Punjabi Mr Singh, before the police officer said anything Mr Singh spoke and asked to be lashed 30 times. Police officer resisted to this saying that he will die if given 30 lashes, Mr Singh insisted that he must be given 30 lashes. After consultations the police officer agreed and asked Mr Singh has he got a wish Mr Singh replied yes Tie the Paki to my back.

Manmohan (Delhi)
11 hrs ago (05:44 PM)
Both India and Pakistan should arrive at some sort of understanding on Siachin as it is very inhuman to put the soldiers of both the countries to such a harsh and difficult conditions in the name of defending the borders where in fact no normal life is possible.

sankara (chennai)
11 hrs ago (05:16 PM)
All this talk of praising God for a few deaths of Pak soldiers is in absolutely bad taste. Particularly if you are a Hindu. Our sanathana darma respects soldiers on ether side of the fence.Let us pray for peace in the region so that such unnecesary deaths may be avoided.A day will come when entire sub continent will raise as one political entity with diverse cultures like music created by different notes. We can call that as united states of Sind and Sagar.

MANISH (INDIA)
12 hrs ago (04:07 PM)
As you sow so shall you reap. justice has been delayed but not denied. I wish 1 million Chinese soldiers should die in the same fashion because of their unjust occupation of TIBET

I am Nobody (India)
3 hrs ago (01:07 AM)
A Million thanks to Jinnah Ali for creating a misadventure called Porkistan and putting it into constant warfare………Otherwise It would be India today known as Epicentre of Terrorism…

Anirudh Shandilya (Dehradun)
7 hrs ago (08:48 PM)
So much hatred. Everyone on earth has the same flesh and blood,pain,sorrow and other emotions are same. Sitting on your lazy a** and commenting takes no energy.Imagine being buried in tons of snow,crying for help,to live,to meet and see your family for one last time. I feel shamed that my countrymen are so intellectuality shallow . Guarding border in minus -50C,needs a lot of strength be it on Indian side or Pakistani side.Senseless commenting with baseless animosity, soldiers guard the borders being away from their family,their beloved. When they come in their coffin to home,image the trauma their parents undergo.I have seen the trauma when Sanjay Gurung,a kargil martyr was brought back in my village. I know now you dumb*** lunatics would start a chain of comments regarding Mumbai attack and the subsequent vengeance. I deplore loss of life and wish the perpetrators should be killed with no mercy.Terrorist should be stoned to death.But that dosent gives any right to pray for the death of soldiers guarding borders,who are told to shoot and kill. I wish that everyone comes alive. All the haters,jakar apni M** chu***…i dont give a flying far* to you.Jobless people. Jai Hind.

Upadhyay (Bihar)
10 hrs ago (06:19 PM)
Siachen is also famous for the last vicious bayonet fighting in the world. Subedar Bana Singh led his troops in frontal assault in neck deep snow in the face of heavy machine gun firing by entrenched Pakistani platton. He stormed their igloo and Indian troops, in hand to hand close quarters combat bayonetted Pakistani troops in a hair raising dance of death. How does it feel when one human being is looking at another in his eye and that another person is thrusting with all his might and ferocity the cold steel in the flesh of that man? Most macabre and ghoulish. All Pakistanis were viciously bayonetted to death and the Quaid post captured and named the Bana Post. Many such battles have been fought there. Siachen is a forbiddingly cruel place to be in. It would benefit Pakistan to leave Siachen (and Kashmir too).

tumbintumbinster (Pune) replies to Indian
12 hrs ago (04:29 PM)
You have no respect for the soldiers and innocent people who were killed by these Jihadis? People like you making India soft state. Shame

Sanjiv (Kanpur) replies to lachman
12 hrs ago (04:07 PM)
All of Pakistan and Kashmir was Hindu land before Islamic invasions and crusades into India

Inzy (Dozhak)
12 hrs ago (03:58 PM)
Thank you Allah !!!

jiten (Indore)
13 hrs ago (03:43 PM)
May God bless their soul

Dinesh Patel (USA)
13 hrs ago (03:33 PM)
ARMY and TERRORISTS runs PARALLEL. Only Dress is Changed on different time !!!

osama bin laden (bottom of ocean)
10 hrs ago (06:35 PM)
Congratulations to all Paki Pigs!!!! I’m sure all paki pigs reached Jahannum and have been awarded their 72 virgin goats.

Aftar Ahmed Abbasi (Islamabad, Pakistan)
10 hrs ago (05:49 PM)
May God give peace to the departed souls and strength to their families to bear this loss

Raj (Delhi)
11 hrs ago (05:27 PM)
Will they this time blame the Jews instead of the usual Hindus for this?

kumar (pune)
12 hrs ago (04:33 PM)
I think it is Sunny Deol hitting his dhai kila ka hatth on one side of mountain and creating avelenche other side

SierraRomeoMike (BTown)
12 hrs ago (04:09 PM)
Nobody would have died in Siachen if there was no partition.

Khosla (Porkistan)
13 hrs ago (03:39 PM)
Porkiyon…maro. Jo kaam Cong. Government ko karna chahiye, woh Bhagwaan ne kiya. Kuch seekho…

Raj (New Delhi) replies to Shahenshah
4 hrs ago (12:34 AM)
No, Pakistan didn’t rule for thousands of years.Your history is just 65 year old, filled with surrender in 71,lost all wars,attcked by drones,shiaa-sunnni violence,taliban, dependent on foreign aid, etc.

Allah calling (Heart of India)
8 hrs ago (08:44 PM)
Since they believe that Cutting the throat of an animal doesnt pain at all, SO should being buried in ICE… they must have died a painless death… :(

Fahim (Pakistan)
8 hrs ago (08:32 PM)
My Indian Brothers, I can read all these hate filled comments on this blog and it does not make me sad. We are humans and these comments are the natural responses to our inner frustrations and pant up emotions. We are SE Asians. We are emotional people. We are not calculative people like white man from the west. My nation Pakistan thinks that it is one of the greatest nations on the earth. That is called turning blind eyes to the realities. We don’t have money, but we act rich. We have no jobs, but we act as if Allah(SWT) will provide somehow. We have people getting killed everyday because of our own stupidity, but we think that everybody is conspiring against us. Take an example of this avalanche. We don’t even have enough equipment to dig out our fallen but to say so in public will be a Tauhin of national pride! Who suffers in this false bravado? Poor soldiers and their families! Who even wants to be a soldier in a nation like this? It is just that our poverty compels us otherwise we would pi*s on the faces of all these Zardaris and Sharifs. Those bunch of thugs have mortgaged the future of the nation and put the whole subcontinent in this vortex of never ending nonsense. Look, I am just a frustrated person. People can mock me or humiliate me with any nonsense comments, I would care less. It is better for the mankind that sooner Pakistan concludes her future, better it will be for the region.

vgu (Delhi)

SHAME BE ON ALL MY FELLOW INDIANS WHO INSTEAD OF EMPATHIZING WITH PAK, are enjoying the news! Hatred and Foolishness rules these two countries! What a shame! Congratulations TOI for not having a comment policy: you enjoy the traffic!

Rajesh (hyd)

Greatttt, we saved hundreds of bullets & a couple of granades. & needless to say hundred manhours of our toops for hunting this big number, otherwise. Hail Himalaya !!

Sandip (Pune)

It’s very good news for the Indians as well as Americans too. We should celebrate on this occasion.

Anirudh Shandilya (Dehradun) replies to Fahim

I apologize to you on behalf of my ignorant countryman for writing hateful comments devoid of any sense. Peace.

Rajiv (Mumbai)

Idiot Pakis, have some sense. Do you know how much of resources you are wasting in the name of offence and difence? If only that could be used for development, you would be one of the finest nations in the world. By doing this, you are making India also do the same. But India too great and big to be denied any development because of difence expenses. You cannot afford it babies !!!

ashraf (srinagar)

Both the nations (india and pakistan)are requested by kashmiris to vaccate the armies from the oldest dispute on earth . we kashmir know how to deal with this type of avalanchies as you are never equipted with to deal on such highest peaks of the world.This is high time to apologise to your people and the people of kashmir as much blood have flown to the river Jehlim now.

Cartoon mohammed (India)

A good muslim is a dead muslim.

hemal (ahmedabad)

It wasnot land slide. It was Tandav nrutya by Lord Shiv to eliminate 100 pigs from the face of earth. The pigs now need to understand that the Hindu god is also fed up with them and has tarted to eliminate them by floods, landslides, etc.

Peace On Planet (Mother Earth)

That’s the punishment directly from their ferocious and always angry Allah. We wish it was at least 110 millions – not only 100 evils! Of course, ferocious God would have a tough time arranging 72 Virgins for each shaitan as he might be running short of virgins and pure wine we guess but, that region would have been a bit peaceful for sure! Next time it should be 100 Millions we hope!

RAMESH (PUNE)

BAD LUCKY PAKS…….EVEN AVALANCHE IS ALSO NOT SUPPORTING YOU……

porki peeg (between mo ham mad’s legs) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

You people distributed sweets after 26/11….hope they can distribute sweets now also…

Fox (India) replies to Indian

They are occupying Indian part of Kashmir. No need to help them.

hp (GN)

I see so many pakistanies narrating sorry state of their country and their families here. Sorry, but muslim bros but I will to tell you that, the problem with muslim world is their religion. In india too muslims are poor..very poor. However the cause is simple…parents play a very big role in a person’s life. A average middle class hindu has 1 to 2 childen and hence the wealth earned by parents pases uniformly and in some cases collective wealth, as passed by parents to children increases with every generation. However in case of muslims, because of their religion, they have 6-8 children and whatever little wealth is left over after rearing such a large family, that too gets divided in 6-8 parts and the progeny only goes from being poor to poorer and in no less than 2-3 generations all muslims become abjectly poor. Please educate muslims to reject atleast this part of islam where they reproduce like cattles.Please have mostly 1 or at max two children. This fact alone will go a long long way to alleviate poverty among muslims. Other steps can wait.

Katua Slayer (Vancouver)

Theres no diff between Army & Terrorist in PAK, If 1 army guy dies its like killing 1 terrorist , even NATO dint spare the PAK army, hopeless country

jinnah (meccca)

R.I.H. (Rest In HELL)

Harish (Ind) replies to KALA SUNDDA

If Hindus were like Muslims, we would have only 3 percent Muslims in India today and it would be called Hindu republic.

DK (Baripada)

God has spoken….

sahiwal (delhi) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

To be fair to you and other readers, I would like to say that I have heard the tape recording and minute by minute instructions given. To be extremely honest, trust me the Urdu instructions were given by the urdu speaking ISI handler to the Young Punjabi terrorist as I speak his language exactly and understoon every word spoken. When his ISI handler was giving him instructions, at one point he asked him to keep a water of bucket near him and get some wet towels as there will be some tear gas shells coming his way. Also instructed him to throw a gernade and start setting fire as the Indians have only seen the trailer and the film has yet to begin. The terrorist in Punjabi asked,” Trailer Ki Hunda E”. So you can tell, how poor people are exploited in the name of religion. Therefore, it is a reality and I heard all that just as the whole thing was coming to an end. The best thing for all of us is not to rejoice death of any innocent people as one person lost have 13 relatives behind him who suffer the pain of death and have to live with it.

2vikramsir (Pune)

Condolences from India

Farhan (Melbourne)

I am a Pakistani who believes that both nations could live peacefully only if get out of the bad blood. But i am horrified to see that most of the comments are as horrific as the jihadists of Pakistanis have. This is what they tell us that Hindus are thirsty of your blood and if we don’t do jihad, they will come and repeat the story of 1947. I always believed them to be wrong because i never found an Indian who fits on that prescription. But the comments have disappointed me. I have started thinking whether their preachings have some truth? I hope not

mano (India)

Is this news????? Pakis die everyday by bomb blast,shooting,riots,shooting by USA soldiers,Drone attack,water flooding and now it is avalanche. This is No NEWS ANYMORE……….when porki and porkistan is peacefull for one day.then that is news……………………. but that will rarely happen.

AI (India) replies to Rizwan

Stupid porky dog… staying in India and speaking for Porkis…. Nodoubt it is bad news…. but don’t tell that they were working for peace and stability of the world… whole world knows what Porky army and ISI are doing…. U r showing Ur mentality and afinity towards porkystan… why don’t U go there? because only patriot Indian Muslim who knows reality, will never say like this…

n.b (ra)

Why criticise soldiers. Natural disasters can kill you also. Pray for their soul.

Fahim (Pakistan)

My Indian Brothers, I am a scared and sad Pakistani. I have lost my pride in my own eyes. I am an object of international humiliation and exploitation. I have no nation. My nation resides in the residue of broken hopes, stolen dreams and wailing eyes. I wake up in the morning to see myself a prisoner of my created misery and ignorance. I go to my farm to earn my living but find interrupted flow of electricity. When electricity comes. water flow stops because some bully wants his fees for being a bully. Once he is paid, we find the lack of seeds and whatever is available, is no good. I tried to find a job in a big city like Lahore and to my dismay, see no jobs. What we see all around us is that the educated people like us wants to get out of Pakistan at the first available opportunity. They are willing to steal, kill and lie. They will do anything but look at the foolishness of this. The people who created these abject situations and circumstances, are laughing all the way to the bank. The same people who want to get out of Pakistan are being used by these Zardaris and Imran Khans to dig the deeper hole for Pakistan. What do I do? Where do I go? What happens to me? Who will feed me? What happens to my children?

Majmaster (Sasan)

100 less converted slaves of Arabs….

pak govt. (Islamabad)

Those who died in siachen are jihadi’s ,not soldiers.

Zainab (delhi)

Sir, Your order of Limited-Edition-Frozen-terrorist burger with Tehrik-e-taliban jehadi sprinkles is ready….Would you like some Kashmir with that?

Arihant (Usa) replies to Indian

Abe indian saale… did u forget Lt saurabh kalia and his 5 team men when they were mutilated and skinned alive by paki fauj. I was 12 yrs old when it happened and i have vouched to avenge their deadth by one way or another. Be a soldier nt a chakka…. A dead paki is a good paki.

Indian (Delhi) replies to Sourav

98% of Pakistanis were ready to join forces if there is was against India. Is it hatred or love?

anti pork (Hindustan)

badhaai ho badhaai

ijj (India) replies to ashraf

Retard..kashmir is only india’s … and what equipment are you talking about.. kashmiri’s are in dark ages still. you should be thanking indians

GA (GOA) replies to Raam

Only Hindus can think like that and feel for others thats why in India people with different religion can live peacefully. Look at what is happening in Pakistan, what happened to all minority community people in pakistan.

Omar (USA) replies to Hasan

Muslims and Islam are the biggest threat to humanity wherever they live or go. In USA, Muslims are being watched 24 hours, not Hindus.

FhreeIndia (Delhi) replies to Hasan

Bharata doesn’t belong to one religion, therefore Islam, which enforces such an evil culture , eliminating other faiths, is unwelcome here and fit to be thrown out.

Sudi (ME)

Mohamed’s biggest (and cause of hate and terror coming from Muslims today) legacy was that he saw and judged humans on what or whom they worship. Human’s character, education, hard work, integrity etc. did not count for much in mohamed’s eyes.

Omar Mullah (Pakistan Occupied Kashmnir) replies to jesus

Yes I agree and mooslim are the only pure religion..We dont bow to any stone but we kiss a black rotten stone in the holy kaaba and we dont believe in idol worship but we do throw stone at the idol of satan..however we promise fresh 72 virgin whenever, mooslem kill (jihad) a non-believer…AllahuAkbar

junoon (mumbai) replies to Farhan

it is pure anger against the paki belligerence and terrorist activities in India by your ISI and their goondas and killers. you seem a reasobale guy but people like you are rare in Pakistan – we do not teach our children to hate pakis but you guys teach in your school curriculum to hate hindus and indians… and then we have our congress party that will not be in power if they did not papmer and appease the muslims…. does anybody speak of a genuine peace with India in your country ? We give people like Imran khan a place in our media and a paltform to speak his mind … you guys ban and censor even a movie that talks about a terrorist who is a paki… if you are really living in Melbourne do you not want to have your country have a true freedom like you enjoy there instead of a fake democracy ?

Sapan Kapoor (New Delhi)

Just on the eve of Zardari’s visit to India, more than 100 Pak soldiers have been buried alive at the Siachen Glacier, when an avalanche smashed into their camp. The fact is more soldiers have died from the harsh weather than in combat on the glacier from either side besides costing the poverty-stricken countries many millions of dollars each year. Isn’t it time when both the countries at least resolved the Siachen issue before more innocent lives are lost? It’s a God-gifted golden opportunity for both the leaders. They must take an humanitarian view of the situation and resolve the issue once and for all during their meeting in New Delhi, for they might not get such opportunity again.

Dasg (NY)

One can but mourn of loss of life, particularly those in prime of their life, even of a nation that is founded on religion, differences and visceral hatred, and masses are being misled. Starting with 1947, ethnic cleansing of entire Hindu and Sikhs masses, 1965, 1999, 26/11 and countless other acts of terror, fermenting of terror in Kashmir, Punjab, North East and now extending to Kerala. To top it there are countless incidents by this “army”, such as brutal killing and mutililation of captured PoWs, organising terrorism against unarmed civilians, and naked n-blackmail by its jihadi army. It becomes that much harder to have much sympathy for the army that has become International Terror Enterprise.

Dave (India)

Ban Terrorists ( Islam ) , all problem will be resolved

I am Nobody (India) replies to Shahenshah

Its a white lie you moron… Thats what your pig mullah teach you in madarssa

Nils (Kashmir)

A natural burial for some of these soldiers !!! These are the lucky ones. Rest of them will be burried once they die fighting the brave Indian soldiers. Bharat Matta Ki Jai !!!

loti (UK) replies to Bhai

I am a born Hindu and consider anyone rejoicing a death as lowliest of the low and surely cannot be a representative Indian. It is so sad that for some Indians the only joy in their life is a tragedy of a poor Pakistani. let me remind you that hundreds of Indians have died on Siachen and lots have suffered severe injuries. stupidity has no name or nation. just imagine someone rejoicing at your brother’s death.

Evert Wesker (Amsterdam, The Netherlands)

This is in my view the weirdest (small scale, low intensity) war I know of. I am a moutaineer by hobby from Holland, and visited both countries on either side of the cease fire line. I think that the strategic as well as the economic value of this area (the Siachen and the Baltoro glaciers) is virtually non-existent. The area – one of the most beautiful and spectacular mountain sceneries in the world – is only of interest to mountaineers. I think it would be wiser to demilitarize this remote corner – part of the Karakorams – and use the Indian and Pakistani resources for more urgent matters. I would like to see the possibility of a great walk in this area (Hispar, Biafo, Baltoro and Siachen glacier in one go; I already walked over the three first mentioned glaciers) to become a possibility in the future.

NSG (BE)

Well, feel sorry for these paki soldiers, if it is not the Indian Army it is theTaliban, if it is not the Taliban it is the US drones, if it is not the US drones it is Allah who is despatching their soldiers to those 72 virgins… Either way their presence up there can achieve nothing (they have been trying for years), it is only a burden on their hard earned alms…However, jokes aside, my condolence and respect to the dead…

Alladin (Bangalore)

It was later found out that the 100 soldiers were killed as they were trying to infiltrate :-)

Cartoon mohammed (India) replies to FS

LIke when in kargil Pakistan left the bodies rotting and refused to take it back saying they are not your soilders?

Surah_Yaseen (Noida)

Then one fine morning, the heavens will open up and a loud voice from the heavens will call everyone to the seat of Judgement! The 100 are not dead, but sleeping in their tombs waiting for the Judgement! Allah will reward them with 70 houries and lots of wine/whisky. Praise be to Allah the merciful!

kc (mum) replies to Monk

Brother as Indians, they to fight for their motherland. They are also born to a mothers. They also breathe the same air as we do. Agree that they are on the enemy side, but remember they are also human beings

Thank You God (India) replies to ashraf

You don’t even know how to tie the knot on your pajama nada…… Go to your Pakistan permanently…… India-haters…. QUIT INDIA

Thank You God (India) replies to ashraf

You don’t even know how to tie the knot on your pajama nada…… Go to your Pakistan permanently…… India-haters…. QUIT INDIA

Cartoon mohammed (India)

Q. What do you call a Muslim with half a brain? A. Gifted.

Basu (USA)

Very unfortunate, feel sorry for the great soldiers, my condolences to the bereaved family, god make them strong to overcome these terrible losses, time is running out , nothing is too late, humans are born once not twice, lives are very precious, India and Pakistan specially political leaders and journalists who have tremendous influence on common people must sit together, must keep soldiers out these areas, must stop aggression, must maintain these areas as no man’s land, these soldiers are somebody’s son, somebody’s husband, somebody’s brother, please political leaders of both countries sit together, don’t think that it is not my job, somebody has to initiate, remember, we created these deaths, we are responsible, we can stop these deaths, we will have to promise to day no more wait for tomorrow, there is no more these deaths or no more provocation of any type terrorism leading to deaths like Bombay, Delhi or Pune or any where. Please be different and make a difference.

Javed (Pak) replies to KALA SUNDDA

Muslims kill lot more Muslims in Pak.

abhi (pune) replies to Hasan

it is really heartening to see a paki talking about humanity!

Hasan (Germany)

By Looking at the comments I can safely say that Indians are worse in Humanity and also for them Connecting everything with the religion is a matter of great bravery. There are more than 15 percent Muslims in India too and before Abusing one Religion do think about the sentiments of your Fellow Country men that are being hurt as well as Muslims are Integral Part of India and this Country does not belong to One Religion and one must Avoid Anti Islamic statements here.

IK (Ind.) replies to Sudi

Jews have one small patch of land while Muslims have 57 Islamic nations , most of them with lots of oil. Israel has no oil but Muslims want to wipe it off the map and kill all jews, including civilians. This is certainly religious hatred inspired by suras in koran written by mohamed.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to jesus

better than worshipping false god allah, katue

raj (india)

Pakistan was, is and will be enemy of india

Dinesh (Blr)

I have read many most of it hatred, some condoling their deaths, some even praying for their safety, I do not blame t hatred shown here, how abt t parents who lost their sons, women who lost their husbands, child who lost their father fighting these pak soldiers & their sponsored militants who killed thousands in India, V did not ask for war, v extended several times our hand for peace, yet v were back stabbed by these coward Pakistan who cannot fight a head on battle like a soldier, they back stab us with terrorism, my heart goes out for our Indian soldiers, our brothers & our families, who sacrificed everything for India, not to t ones who back stab us.

Sura (Sydney) replies to Farhan

allah is a fictitous entity created by mohamed to satisfy his lustful and violent needs.

Nish (US) replies to Haji

They blame Hindus (i.e. India/RAW), Jues (i.e. Israel/Mosad) and Chritians (i.e. America/FBI).

Pratap (Qatar)

As a human I am so sorry for the families of all those brave soldiers who are killed in this natural disaster while defending their country be it any citizen, it could be Indians as well, RIP. Indian Govt shall extend help to them for rescue operation if the need arises.

Hardeep (Noida) replies to Kuldip Singh Ken

Why do i smell something bad in the air your air you are breathing. Sikhs are nothing but hindus.Guru Nanak was a hindu. I am a sikh and i am proud to know that my ancestors were hindus.

Truth IS a (Bitch) replies to Hasan

So, all we need is a few more avalanches to take care of 179,999,900 more of them and we can move on in our lives!!! India is a HINDU country, always was and always will be. I am not Hindu, but recognize that my ancestors had been converted (or chose to convert) from Hinduism – there is no IF, AND or BUTS about it. That 15% is the biggest Achilles heel to our progress – even more than China or our thieving politicians / business / criminal nexus. Once Islam stops promoting and funding terrorism (which can NEVER happen unfortunately), perhaps, you may get your wish. However, till then, we have reason to defend ourselves from everything Islam.

BD (Bhopal)

When did Pakistan worry about their dead soldiers?

Prashanth (London) replies to jesus

That is how you came into this world. unless you are a test tube baby :) )

Sudi (Brit)

Muslims need to think what they are doing to humanity with daily terror threat and attacks and who they worship. There is guaranteed death for insulting mohamed – whom all muslims know was married to a 6 year old among dozen other women, even married his own daughter in law, and was involved in numerous raid and looting of commercial caravans.. All these actions were supported by Suras appearing in koran justifying mohamed’s actions

utho jago tatti-stan () (peshab_ghar aka peshavar) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

I have a song for you and your muslim brothers in pakistan .. . .. . Kill kill Pakistan, jaan jaan paki-shaitan, yeh jaha Pigstan … . Did u like it paki peeg ??

Rahul (Mumbai) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

hahahahahhhaaaahaaa!! continue living in your fantasy world dude…

vpsingh (kv residential complex, sadar bazar, varanasi cantt.)

A great human loss. What can we do else? This loss may occur to both sides Pakistan and India. It is unfortunate. Can both the countries do in this regard?

Saurav Kumar (Kolkata) replies to Sandip

Rest in Peace. Soldiers, of any nation are formidable. They know no enemy, they just do what they are ordered, to protect their home land. Hence, quit being racists and pray for the lost souls. There’s already enough hatred in this world, don’t fume more. Get out of the box and widen your perspective Mr. Sandip.

tumbintumbinster (Pune) replies to Rizwan

Porkistanis are not allowed here.

ashraf replies to ijj

Should we kashmiris be thanking india for killing 120,000 youngsters ,30,000 disapeared persons 30000 mass graves and many stories like this,Fof God sake apologise now it will be late then.

Alpinaccio Markus (Patria dei LEONI)

A prayer for all the soldiers died in the mountains! In Italy we use this … and in these cases, national borders do not matter. Furthermore, God is the same for all people in the world … we hear his voice in the depths of our hearts … if we want to hear. On the bare rocks, on the perennial glaciers, on each of the Alps where the providence has placed we to bulwark faithful of our lands, We … purified from duty dangerously accomplished, elevate the soul to Thee, O Lord, protect our mothers, our wives, our sons and brothers away, and help us to be worthy of the glories of our ancestors. Almighty God, that governments all items save us, armed as we are of faith and love. Save us from the relentless cold, by the vortices storm, by the force of the avalanche, makes sure that our foot position on dizzy ridges on the straight walls, over treacherous crevasses, make our strongest weapons against anyone threatens our country, our flag, our ancient Christian civilization. Mary, Mother of God, white as snow, You who have known and collected every suffering and every sacrifice of all the Alpini fallen you who know and collect every desire and hope all alive Alpini and Alpini in the weapons. You smile and bless our Battalions and our groups. So be it. R.I.P. soldiers of the mountain. Peace be with you brothers in the world.

Subash Dhal (New Delhi, India)

•Jyada Jyada hi Dharmasya Glanir bhabatu bharatam, Abhuthanam kulamiyaham paritranaya sadhunam,Binasayacha Duskrutam Dharma santhaparnarthaya Sambhabani Yuge Yuge.

I am Nobody (India) replies to Fahim

Pakistan = No.1 Pornistan Particularly Animal Porn

Dr D M Rao (ahmedabad)

Our prayers are with the families of the 130 soldiers… but do we need this or can we afford the loss of lives, be it, Indian or the Pakistani soldiers and the Billions it cost us since 1984 ?

I am Nobody (India) replies to Nagesh Badal

You call them soldier? They are even worst than Terrorist. These shameless people banged 3 millions people in Bangladesh..

mumbaikar (india) replies to Nagesh Badal

they were there to help the terrorists and kill indians… you should be ashamed to say these things.

Ramesh Nair (Kerala)

These poor soldiers whether Indian or Pakistanies are serving in a unfreindly atmosphere.. They are just doing their duty.. If it is Indian soldiers we feel sorry.. It is Pakistan soldiers… we are making a lot of sadist comments… Spread the message of love.. all humen lives are valuable to thier famileis and closed ones… respect humanity.. please stop harsh statements and idiotic hatered.. If we are real Hndus Love Others.. give helping hands to the sufferings.. and feel proud being Indian and Hinuds..

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to abhi

when they kill its allah’s will; when they die, humanityyyy

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Hasan

same like pakistan or kashmir, what about hindu minority there? what about OUR hindu sentiments moron?

Arnab Roy (Bombay) replies to Fahim

Honestly I would not take any responsibilities for some MINDLESS Indian’s comments here. But Personally I’m feeling sad about your emotional state which has been disturbed by the incident. All I can say is it’s a really bad news and I pray RIP. Amen.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere)

The real god lord shiva the god of destruction killed napakis, for troubling india, har har mahadev

kafir (kafiristan) replies to jesus

Smell of a porki scumbag.

sahiwal (delhi)

We have good people on both sides of the border who care for someone they do not even know. It is very sad and painful to hear that the soldiers lost their lives as they were doing their jobs. Loss of any life innocent is a tragedy and as an Indian frequent comments writer, would like to convey my condolences to their families. I remeber when Mumbai was attacked, kind and gentle people of Pakistan had demonstrated in the streets of Karachi in support of the Indians. And when there was an earthqake in Pakistani part of Kashmir, there were scores of Hindus, Sikhs, Christians who went to the Pakistani Embassy in New Delhi and delivered packages of food and money, I know I was there. Goodness affects thousands but hate only attracts selectively.

Ex Muslim (London, England) replies to Farhan

You muslims are a curse on Earth. Even in Australia you are hated and have raped Australian women. I hope more pakis die soon. I was a muslim but am no longer I hate everything about islam, it’s pure evil.

Raki (Ind) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

so you are saying hindus are doing terrorism in pak and India? The 9/11 and 26/11 terrorists were caught on tape chanting allah u akbar while they killed civilians. They are inspired by mohamed and koran and not hinduism.

Peterson (Muscat)

Why there are soldiers at the border risking their lives in bad weather. They can not trust India just because of their own mentality. At any given opportunity they want to advance towards India and think that India will also do the same thing. If Pakistan gets rid of their aggressiveness they could see that India is quietly protecting their area. Pakistan is unnecessarily sacrificing their soldiers and resources which could have been deployed more productively. By flaming the hatred they have poisoned the society and they are now reaping the fruits of their own actions. How much more they want before theirr eyes are opened. How foolish it is to focus on someone else property and suffer endlessly. Also Pakistan has earned a bad name internationally. This is the result of misusing the resources god has given to them. Every nation has a lot to learn from Pakistan. If you are not focused on your progress and instigate petty issues one day your country will also turn out to be another Pakistan.

Farhan (Melbourne) replies to Haji

No, they treat it as Allah’s order for their fate and expect that justice will be done in the afterlife

Indian (Hindustan) replies to Rizwan

yea by exporting terror directly..

Omar Mulla (Pakistan) replies to Indian

Yes help us and we shall welcome you with Kargil Version 2.

Rajani Dada (India) replies to ashraf

India-haters are requested to vacate Kashmir, POK and Aksai Chin…….. or face the wrath of Indian Gods. As long as you insist on occupying these Indian territories, God will shower his wrath upon you…. Mind it

Aneesh (Bhopal)

serves them right!

Julla Khan (Lulla) replies to Asif

Bin subhan lula walla nazrulla sulla fazlulla rasgulla bin allah ki maa ka bulla

I am Nobody (India) replies to Imran

Why? Do you want to clean our toilets. Ok then come back soon.

Kuldip Singh Ken (Hong Kong) replies to Shahenshah

let it go bro before british, lahore and frontier was ruled by sikhs,sikhs were in very very small numbers but ruled a bigger hindu and muslim population,dont think these things,gone is gone, try to be friends as our govts are trying. we still are ruled by multinational companies.try to make our countries strong so that we are not dependent on western countries. be happy and look at future not past.

Kuldip Singh Ken (Hong Kong)

i pray to god those soldiers are safe. these soldiers indian or pakistani are prey to bad politics of subcontinent,99% of population of indo/pak doesnt like bad politics but are prey to bad press and profitiers who gat big benefits from indo/pak crisis.

indian (india) replies to Fahim

If u are a pakistani, do not loose hope . Every religion had its flaws. But the christians and hindus have changed with times. I will throw the manu smiri in a dustbin if somebody asks me to follow it, but the muslims do not want to change ,they still keep harping about the hadiths and qurans, it sounds ridiculous. you have to reform urself ,nobody can help u.. all the best.

sethi (delhi) replies to mumbaikar

he is not an indian.

Mike (Dubai)

It’s unbelievable. The kind of hatred that u guys have against Pakistanis. The soldiers have families and they are serving their countries respectively. Shame on all those who are celebrating this.

manoj (usa)

i salute and hate england who divided india , pak and as result bangladesh was also born, when 26 crores muslims can live in india, pakistan muslim can also lived unitedly. what a waste of money and humane on useless border issues, it has nothing to do with common public, only satisfy certain radicals on both sides,politicians and bureacrats looting both countries on name of security.imagine the power of south asia if india, pak and bangladesh wd have one country.

God Punish Pakistan (India) replies to Peace On Planet

Very True :)

dj (Bharat)

Wrath of GOD on DEVIL followers of desert cult. Stop reading your satanic verse or more such event will follow incl. flood across the land of pure and vile evil called Pakishaitan.

dv (USA) replies to Varun

From the British to Italians.

JD (Jammu) replies to ashraf

ashraf miya, Please vacate kashmir and go to pakistan. Read history. Kashmir was a hindu kingdom, ruled by muslim invaders and than again by sikh and last by Dogra (Hindu). Congress has done nothing on Asia’s largest genocide of hindu pundits, massacres, rapes and exodus. At the time of partition, it was ruled by Hindu king and was signed by him to be annexed with hindustan. so STFU you traitor and move to pakistan. For people like you, it seems there is nothing better to chose from today. Let other muslims of india leave in peace with rest of us.

tumbintumbinster (Pune) replies to n.b

Dushman mara hai dost nahi, Mr gaddar.

sam ruddy (london) replies to Fahim

who told u this ur MOTHER.

AN (Delhi) replies to Fahim

It is really refreshing to read a brutally honest appraisal of the situation in religion based populistic decisions. It’s not just in Pakistan, but also in India where caste-ism dominates common sense. I wish there were more sensible people on both sides of the border like you.

a. sharma (UK) replies to adam

Better urine drinking than to take the example of their child molesting Muhammad! But maybe you are very happy with a 50 year man marrying and having sex with YOUR 13 year daughter heh???? Meanwhile my sincerest condolences to the families of the poor soldiers dying in such horrific conditions….may your God grant you inner peace!

Bhai (BLR)

Its Lord Shiva himslef. yada yada hi dharmasya glanir bhavati bharata abhyutthanam adharmasya tadatmanam srjamy aham – Whenever and wherever there is a decline in religious practice, O descendant of Bharata, and a predominant rise of irreligion–at that time I descend Myself.

Cartoon mohammed (India) replies to Hasan

Muslims are not Indians.Go to Pakistan the majority do not want them here.

Indian (India)

Neither country needs to spend money on men and materials for war. Both have their own problems. But Pakistan still insists on taking a violent route. India has never started a war with any nation but our military budget is in the top 5 in the world and we have one of the largest armies out of necessity. It just goes to show how much peace can achieve – nothing.

Desi (Bharat) replies to Raj

One can only express the frustration on the evil wrought upon this land in the name of ISLAM. If that amounts to HINDU TALIBAN so be it you pervert. Stop evil doers from the land of pure and vile in the name of ISLAM.

Raj (india)

From all the hate filled statements i learnt today that there is a HINDU TALIBAN alive and kicking in india

vpsingh (varanasi cantt.) replies to RAMESH

Don’t kid. avalanche supports none. Be serious

Frozen-terrorist burger (buried in snow) replies to Zainab

LOL…nice one!

God Bless You (India) replies to Haji

Inna lillahi wa inna ilayhi raji’un (Quran, Sura Al-Baqara, Verse 156) This is the phrase that Muslims recite when a person is struck by calamity in life, and is usually recited upon hearing the news of someone’s death. This can also be recited in any situation involving risk of any sort. The phrase is commonly translated as “Verily we belong to God, and to God we return.”

dv (USA)

The shameless sadism of those who negotiated the so called AZADI lives on.

rk (ny)

no point sending any help…these paki terrroists are frozen by now…..they are all gone with the (snow) wind.!!!…hahaha…..only wish it was 1000 or 1000000.pakis……..

Ardeshir Zonji (Toronto, Ontario)

A very sad day for us. Nature was totally cruel and never did any justice to these army men. May God Rest their soul in peace…..

Rajput tera baap (Nor) replies to Shahenshah

chu***ya Bangladesh ko yaad kar. U wud be soon wiped out from the face of this earth.

Raj (USA)

Praise be to allah!!!

matkakulfi (mumbai)

now where is the ladoo basket. I have seen the carnage of 26/11. I hate porkis more than any one on this planet. be it any one from across the border and it also includes the infants and the newborns.

s (US) replies to Fahim

I can give only two choices: 1. Commit suicide en masse. 2. Covert to Hinduism or Christianity. Not for religion purpose but for economical. Your relationship with India, Europe and US will become better. Economic ties will be better, trade will provide jobs and money to all.

Nagesh Badal (Mumbai)

THIS IS A SAD NEWS FOR ALL! THESE SOLDIERS WERE THERE TO SAVE THEIR NATION”S PRESTIGE AND TO HOLD ON TO THEIR CONVICTION . I SALUTE THEM AND PRAY GOD BLESS THEIR SOUL!.

sukoon (canada)

I pass on these post comments to as many Pakistanis as I can, because unlike your vast majority who are so deeply steeped in cumpulsive hate towards Pakistan and muslims and Islam, vast majority in pakistan actually like India, its culture and people, want genuine peace and friendship. With such rejoicing you only show that when ever tragedy strikes us, that brings you joy. We all have to return to our maker, but to us the belivers is his promise of paradise, his promise for you the disbelivers is eternal damnation and for ever a place in hell, enjoy while you can, you cant escape the wrath.

Amit (Ranchi) replies to Hasan

Mr Hasan, dont worry about comments, these 400 comments doesn’t tells about any country, it is a country with billion plus population, We do care for all religions, and we have respect for every culture as well, We do mourn the lives of all Pakistani soldiers, We pray to almighty that there soul rest in peace.

sri (usa) replies to IK

Md. was illiterate, he could neither read nor write he could only kill!!. According to muslims , he would rattle off these verses and others wrote down whatever he said.

bittert5 (us)

Hindus :- Creators Muslims:- Destructors Christian:- Manipulators Jewish:- Survivors

Cartoon mohammed (India)

An English police officer is part of an exchange program, and is sent on a three month tour of pakistan. He is assigned to a patrol car with a pakistani police officer. They are parked on the road side in a small town, when a local man,completely bald, almost 7ft tall, simple looking,wanders past. The UK officer just stares at him.’Who is that man?’ he asked his pakistani colleague. ‘Oh, thats ahmed. He’s a local man. He lives in a small house with his mom and his sister.’ ‘Oh’ says the UK officer.’Are they tall as well?’ ‘Is who tall?’ asks his colleague. ‘His mom and his sister.’ ‘You dont understand’ the pakistani officer smiles.’His mom and his sister are the same person.’

JK (JK) replies to Farhan

there have been no Hindu terror attacks in Pak but Muslims from inside and outside India have attacked India many times. Only threat to world peace is supremacist and violent nature of Islam- creation of mohamed

ahuh (India) replies to Farhan

words and bombs are not the same.

psychologist (islamabad) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

Dear betta – if you are chenab madrsa college nothing positive can expect you. The reason is that you are brainwashed with some idealogy n false propaganda and news which are tailored to satisfy jihadists. So stop going to this college and start to read some other newspapers n tv

meet2j (mumbai)

On a humanity ground I wish to pray god to give thier family enough stength and social monetary help & may rest soliders soul in peace. but the second thoguh came in my mind this are the sam cross border solider who have made life hell of the indian it is under this soliders gudience weapons and terrorist are enering to india to kill thousand of innocent people. this is big dillemna should we pray to rest thier soul in peace or be thankful to god that for little period of time ( in fact very little) terrorist may not get supprot of this solider and entrance of such terrorist will be limited for little period of time. ?

Raj (india) replies to Nazam sethi

Pak soldiers deaths can be clelebrated only during war or covert operations .Otherwise by celebarting a natural disaster we become dehumanized like the Taliban and Islamic fanatics

V (Delhi)

When this news got published it was 130 initially , now its 100. Guys reconfirm your figures… In todays world its only the numbers which matters the most.

raj (US)

They are not dead but trapped inside the headquarter.

Porkibrainwashed (India) replies tocowmataindia

Look who has the audacity to point fingers at us,this is from a Paki news paper,As many as 48 million Pakistanis defecatted in the open and basic toilet was a distant dream for them.Now, go learn to use a toilettt,then come back and point fingers at us.

Aryan (Nor) replies to Fahim

Pakishaitan !!!suvaar ki aulaad. Porki beggars.

I am Nobody (India) replies to Cartoon mohammed

ha ha ha lol

Shan (U.K) replies to Shahenshah

Stop living in the past with your false dreams and handle reality.Today you are annihilateddd by drones,violence against your own.Now, who is shamelessss??Stop day dreaming in the medieval period and wake up!.Pakistan never rules anyone.Your history is just 65 year old.Wake up, from living in a f000l paradisee!

Shahenshah (LHR)

A handful of muslims ruled over you hindus for more than a thousand years. Just think about it and then chullu bhar paani mein doob maro. You were born to be ruled upon. Shameless people!!

Nils replies to Mahmood

Dont forget that these soldiers belong to the same Pakistani army which trains and protects terrorist. yes same terrorist which killed innocent people in mumbai 26/11. These stooges deserved to die… maybe if not by an avalanche then by an Indian bullet !!!

Sanjeev (Noida) replies to Fahim

Which blogger will be foolish enough to reject a writer like you? You are welcome here. You don’t know but you have a power in your writing.

goldman (india)

So happy to hear this news !!:))))

Manu Verma (Bhopal) replies to Fahim

Brilliant writer..You are blessed with good ability to express your thoughts. Don’t worry about your country’s useless newspapers. We welcome you on our blog for a good writer like you. Feel free. Times of India is democratic in the true sense of the term.

Ramesh Nair (Kerala) replies to Fahim

We do not hate Pakistanies.. We hate terrorism generated from there as you people do..

Indian (India) replies to adam

U have bild this hate cause of your goverment that has brainwashed u with distorted facts and with this propaganda of hate.U are absolutely wrong.Look at the minority growth rate of your country pakistan ad take that and have a look at India.U will know.The whole world knows its, still u are blinded.Please TOI publish this.Whatever truth i write about Pak never gets presented.Please do.

Agyat (Ontario)

All these celebrations from Indian side on this Pakistani mishap are totally un-Hindu and un-Indian. In our Hindu temples, at the end of the service we pray ‘sarve bhvanti sukhina—‘. That ‘serve’ meaning everyone includes every one, Hindu, Muslim, and Christian, atheist, dogs, cats, and trees. Their prayer includes only those who are Muslims, but that is their problem. As an Indian and Hindu, it is not our aim to be happy to watch anyone in misery. If we do that we become like them i.e. they have converted us in their religion. Pakistan has a biggest concentration of ‘aundhi khopdian’ on the face of this earth. The whole world knows it. They are painting themselves in a corner. Even their all weather friend China is realizing this. A small nucleus of thinkers in Pakistan has realized the situation and the things have started changing very slowly at the glacial pace. All these diatribes against Muslims and Pak in TOI only weaken the position of these right thinking people. Therefore let us tone us down a little bit and let them cook in their own juices for a while. As the heat goes up, more and more people within Pakistan will turn against these Jihadists and do the job for us. Then we may live peacefully in a subcontinent with happy Indians and happy Pakistanis.

Mader (Ch.) replies to Psycho YHWH

was 6 year old aisha more prettier to mohamed than maria- a jewish girl he defrocked after he killed her family in front of her?

Bharat (Hindustan) replies to RAJESH

Be a man, use your real muslim name. What are you ashamed of? being a muslim? can’t help it, you are cursed to be born as a scum bag muslim

John Mahmud (Kingdom of Saudi Arabia9) replies to Prashanth

No he is not a test-tube baby rather is he a test-tube monkey that profess a religion where a 54 years old dead pervert had cohabited with a mere 9 years old child name Aisya (pls google..learn about this sick perverts religion)

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore)

i was wondering why everyone mentioning about 72 virgins.. I just googled and got to know that “He [Muhammad] said (in a Hadith, Islamic tradition): ‘[There is] a palace of pearls in Paradise and in it seventy courts of ruby… And in each court [there are] seventy houses of green emerald stone. In every house, seventy beds. On every bed, seventy mattresses of every color and on every mattress a woman.’ (Hadith) Quran says about getting 70 virgins.. where is the rest 2..??? explanation please..

kribhapur (tamilnadu)

This is not an important news about Pakistan because more than three hundred people are dying there daily in terrorism and sect violence.

Vivek (World)

Bad News .. Great soldiers give their lives for people of country. May their family get compensation and there soul rest in peace..

citizen (united states of asia)

May their souls rest in peace n god giv strength to their families to bear such a loss .life is Vry precious so let’s not waste it fighting wars or capturing glaciers,politicians on both the sides better learn from European union who want to unite n spend less on defence n more on humans .paki or Indian,end of the day all Hav feelings n families waiting for us

tripat (nd)

May god let there souls rest in peace.

Abdul Hadi Khan (jhang)

hello guys! this is Hadi Khan from Chenab College Jhang of Pakistan.. there is something that u people must know! there are ten times more security threats in pakistan than in India! thousands of people die each month targetted by terrorists!! how can muslims kill themselves?? this is a baseless charge on muslims that they are terrorists! they are just not.. and this way terrorists in india are too not muslims.. you people may be unaware of this but we know that Ajmal qassaab who was accused for mumbai attacks did never exist.. the person who was arrested was a subsistence farmer who even did not know anything about mumbai attacks! my only request is that always try to have a positive approach!!

Sunil (Mumbai) replies to Farhan

Farhanbhai i think these comments are the frustation that Indians feel because of the terror attacks on our soil by jehadis. We know the root of jehad lies in Pakistan so the hurtful comments u see otherwise as you know both Indians and Pakistanis are extemely sensitive and mature people.

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to Zio

Yes we also want the Israeli commandos to come here and deal with the terrorists inside & also to coach our police force; but politics of minority and garb of secularism sucks this country.Even a tiny Himalayan kingdom of Nepal was the only declared hindu state but for this rotten congress vote bank politics we are surrounded by fundamentalists from all sides. Oh on the diplomacy side: my enemy’s enemy is my friend…. You are welcome to advocate sending the Israeli commandos to tackle these muslim fundamentalists.

Rupet (canada) replies to Haji

No, they’ll blame India. They’ll say, India created the avalanche.

Gonsalves (Vasai) replies to pth ggg

The paki army and the isi are routinely involved in terrorism against bharat so they are terrorists too.Its natures way of saying enought of this porkis.

Maratha (PUNE) replies to Imran

YES,come back to surrender.

Raam replies to Ashish

sorry, I am an atheist and I am no hindu,muslim or christian. I am just a human. that is more than enough to say something like that…

I am Nobody (India) replies to Dr D M Rao

Porki, take some rest, we are happy of these pigrats riddening..

I am Nobody (India) replies to Cartoon mohammed

Every muslim is a dead muslim.

A. Sharma (UK) replies to Fahim

Well spoken Fahim. It’s good to see one Muslim with a sense of responsibility towards mankind and not clinging to blind faith as being the be all and end all of life. We freethinkers wish you well and hope your anguish will diminish with time.

John (Goa)

What is not yours and you try to make yours this what happens. Unfortunately Its a great loss for those soldiers family.

Anirudh Shandilya replies to aman

I can just sit and laugh at you,cause i have been blessed with sanity and rationality in much greater degree that you can ever imagine.I am a Kashmiri Brahmin,but my childhood indoctrination had been rational,not like a paranoid,stereotyping sadist like you.Feel pity on you and your parents. chal dafa ho.Now let me fall to your level,i am intellectually superior than you,no doubt,but anyday “racially” too. gtfo.

aman (delhi) replies to Hasan

what a sentiment,jis thaali mai khatta hai usi mai ched bhi karega,jab direct action day will be called by someone like jinnah and hindus,sikhs will be massacred in bedouin majority areas, tab poochonga tujh jaise chillar se what your sentiments are then!height of hypocrisy.

aman (delhi) replies to Anirudh Shandilya

awesome,why cant imposters use there real BEDOUIN NAME?nothing else to say to a dirty moslem!

DasG (ny)

Given the Pakistani involved in countless acts of barbaric acts of death and destruction across Indian understandably Indians will find it hard to feel a sort of sadness that is normally evoked whenever life is wasted, however they must not gloat either. It is important to vigilant and not vindictive, understanding and not naïve and practical rather emotion. But hatred is easier than compassion, but hatred leaves the whole world loser, and compassion the winner.

S D (noida)

very sad. for they were soldiers doing there duty.

Sunil (New Delhi) replies to sankara

Who cares we don’t want islamic rubbish in India. Islam does not mean it means submission and jihad.

Farhan replies to junoon

Well things are changing in Pakistan. We are suffering from the hangover of Zia regime where they decided to use a noble concept of Jihad as an instrument of state policy and ultimately failed to achieve their goals but maligned the whole religion. Everyday, these Jihadis are losing support in community. Indians may have right to hate us on real and perceived grievances like we have some real and perceived grievances. But to give comments on death of soldiers who were just doing their duty is absurd and in very bad taste

mos (Delhi) replies to Haji

Allah is the king of universe…everything be it good or bad, it is He who orders it.

Jyoti (Bangalore) replies to ashraf

isko kehte hain ehsaan faramosh. Subsidized Basmati rice khate hain, koi tax nahi bharte.. apne defence khud nahi kar sakte.. lekin hamesha yeh kashmiri Indians ko curse karte hain.

TruIndian (Mumbai) replies to Loti

Do not agree with u for your comment of finest brains in Pakistan ! India ? Yes Always !

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to Alpinaccio Markus

Man Alps & Europe is different. You guys are not ingressing the territories and falsely claiming as yours. Here it is different; a rogue nation that is the hideout for all terrorists and the largest democracy who just wants peace for itself without any unwanted and illegitimate territorial ambitions. Pak does not deserve any sympathies from India. Period.

tumbintumbinster (Pune) replies to fas

Pakistanis not allowed here.

Gonsalves (Vasai) replies to Ardeshir Zonji

Nature did the best justice.

Fahim replies to Free Kashniri

I am not selling anything here. I have no desire. Only thing I have is pain. I have a broken identity. I am a muslim. Which muslim? Saudis don’t treat me well because I am from SE Asia. Hindus don’t trust me and rightfully so. West is angry at me and wants to check my brothers out when they travel abroad. Which happiness are you talking about? I don’t even know the last time when I was happy. The same Kashmir from where you are defining happiness and unhappiness, have you seen eerily silent streets? Have you seen deserted streets? Have you seen decrepit buildings? Do you see tears of blood in the air? Do you hear the silent sobs of murdered people?

Ashish (Jamshedpur, Jharkhand) replies to loti

yes but those on Pakistan die for stupid causes. Bhai from BLR is correct. Its divine justice. On a bigger scale, what you exhibit is exactly the problem with many hindus. Their steadfast moral up-rightedness many a times makes them look intellectualy dumb impractical and irrelevant.

HINDUSTANI (HINDUSTAN) replies to adam

AbeyChutiye Kafir ke naam par kyun posting kar raha beLaude….

HINDUSTANI (HINDUSTAN) replies toAnirudh Shandilya

Anirudh try joining NDTV they are in lookout for people like you to replace Barkha dutt who has already lost face before the public after her dalaali in Nira Radia Tapes.I am sure you will be placed even without an interview if your posts are anything to go about.

Prem (india) replies to Hasan

I have many good friends from pakistan too but Islam is already hijacked. This is because of peace loving Muslim’s no reaction over years. Not sure where it will end but I am sure Truth will always win.

prem (india) replies to KALA SUNDDA

Deases came first or the so called human. You are in the wrong side. you Allaha came begging….

KALA SUNDDA (BHARAT)

Hafiz Saeed Sahib and Ajmal Kasab Sahib are the exactly right answer to this chronic diseased Hindu mentality.

iSAY (US)

whether they are Indian or Pakistani Soldiers they are both defending their countries interests. This is their job and on both sides their families are concerned about them. They have been sent to such harsh environments because both Pakistan and India have been incapable of resolving political Disputes and these poor soldiers are the victims !. I hope all goes well and they are found quickly.

Cartoon mohammed (India)

A man walks into a sex shop in Jerusalem looking for a sex doll. Clerk: So what kind do you want? Jewish, Christian or Muslim? Man confused: What’s the difference? Clerk: The Muslim one blows itself up.

Hakim (Pak) replies to amaaan Indiaaann

he was offering aisha and his daughter in law that he had married to muslims like bin laden and hafiz saeed.

v.s.tulpule (pune)

Statement “More soldiers have died from harsh wether than in combat on the glacier: “is very true .How many centuries are we goimg to fight for an area where not a blade of grass grows. Till the glacier melts & takes troops of both sides in avalanche. When our p.m. meets their president he s hould settle the matter of both sides withdrawing from Siachen. If you want to make a hareh comment pl go & stay there for one day befre making the comment.

Pak PM and President (Comfortable Bungalow, Isslamabad)

THESE WERE NON-STATE ACTORS ……………… BBRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

cunning stunt (Blr) replies to cold stunner

No pure camel urine latte with extra shots of camel dung you moron. This is while you are performing camel jockey and sandwiched between whipping arbi and terrified camel.

cold stunner (India) replies to Cartoon mohammed

ha ha ha. If it was you between them , after russian , you would have gulped a bottle of cow pee and said there are plenty comes from cow matha.

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to Surah_Yaseen

We call Vijay Mallya to help them reach heavens of yours in Kingfisher planes loaded with his whiskeys etc.

AI (India) replies to Surah_Yaseen

SO wine/whisky are not Haram to Allah !!!

Sanity (india) replies to Farhan

There is NO afterlife.

Abhi (delhi) replies to Rizwan

lol… pakistan and peace….. r u insane, if you think pakistan is better and peaceful place, please pack ur bag and leave….

Jyoti (Bangalore) replies to Rizwan

Are you off your wits? What do you mean by saying that “brave soldiers who worked for implementing peace and stability the world”? Its sad to see soldiers dying on duty but please dont added these ornamental comments.

My God – 28 in excess (Heart of India)

What will the remaining 28 people do tonight ? :( :( ?

nobody (india) replies tocowmataindia

thats where we can use people like u and imran. atleast u will do something more productive than blowing urself up

sam ruddy (london) replies to Fahim

U r genuine cause i started hating muslims when i saw a documentary on BBC 1 that a 6 to 11 year old child was taught how to amputate an arm for the first offence and an ankle for the second offence.these shools were funded by saudi arabia and now banned in UK.the tutors were from pakistan. these teachings were in large colorful texts and u can imagine the implication it would ave on a growing child.them kids were taught to avoid non muslims if at all possible.

Imran (Karachi)

WE will get back.

Fahim (Pakistan)

BJP= BIGGEST JANATA PORNSTARS

Mahmood (Taxila) replies to Nils

‘Sharam karo kal tumhare saath bhi yehi kuchh ho sakta he’ Being you are living in Kashmir.

Anand (Sonadih,B.BAZAR(C.G.)) replies to Fahim

Dear Fahim,I feel sorry for those dutiful soldiers buried in avalanche serving their country Pakistan…please ignore some mindless Indians comments.May God offer peace to them and my condolence to their family…our soldiers also died in similer way few months ago.

adam (canada) replies to sukoon

thanks sukoon for showing us the asliyat of the Indians, I agree can never trust them, they really hate us because we are muslims and they know we will be in Paradise and they in hell.piss on them, urine drinking idol worshippers

aa (earth) replies to Fahim

Dear Fahim, I understand your pain. I hope these Siyasi tactics will come to an end very soon and Indians and Pakis will live peacefully for ever as good neighbors.

John Mahmud replies to Ashish

SAME TO YOU DUDE!BUT 99 TIMES TO YOURSELF DUDE! WAKAKAKA! YA ALLAH, YA MUGNI, YA AZIZ

bala srinivasan (saginaw.mi.USA)

INDIAn army &airforce by offering its superior facility to evacuate might create better CBM&reduce the animous&tension.If so the INDIAN MEDIA would serve the south asian region enormously by advertising&dissipating that co-operative humanitarian EFFORTs.

John Mahmud (Kingdom of Saudi Arabai) replies to hindutvavaadi

There is no difference between Siva and Allah….both are formless…both dont have a Father or a Mother…..they are different aspects of the same essential dude..the difference is in your head dude and in the head of millions of other..God is an Embodiment of Love..The end game is between you and GOD….He is fair to all and he is in the heart of all of us…for no place he is not…Clear the hatred and BIGOTRY in yr heart dude and do unto others what you expect others to do unto you dude!you dig dude!

Anand (India)

Poor pakis will blame this to India too.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Mumin

or u prefer we burn you here on earth???

Peace (NotIslam)

CAIR whipped the credulous into a frenzy when it thought this California woman’s murder was an example of “Islamophobia”. After realizing that she is more likely another victim of a Muslim honor killing, the organization has dropped her cause like a hot potato. Islam’s Latest Contributions to Peace “Mohammed is God’s apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another” Quran 48:29 2012.04.06 (Kunar, Afghanistan) – A peace envoy and his son are blown to bits by a Shahid suicide bomber. 2012.04.05 (Badakhshan, Afghanistan) – A Fedayeen suicide bomber detonates at a bazaar, killing two innocents. 2012.04.05 (Karachi, Pakistan) – A 22-year-old Shiite is shot to death by suspected Sunnis. 2012.04.05 (Sumisip, Philippines) – Four people at an agriculture co-op lose their lives to an Abu Sayyaf attack. 2012.04.05 (Karachi, Pakistan) – A Tehrik-e-Taliban suicide car bomber takes out four Pakistanis. 2012.04.04 (Kirkuk, Iraq) – A 16-year-old boy is beaten and strangled on suspicion of being homosexual.

Omar Mullah (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) replies to amaaan Indiaaann

This is on condition you kill through jihad non-believers (non-mooslem) that we promise you this good looking chicks vigin and fresh also we promise handsome looking boys!Allahuakbar

Mumin (Goa) replies to dj

go and check ur evil books & 33 crore gods..who r nothing but a creation from god..u ppl burn ur dead body here & burn in hell fire too.

Omar Mullah (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) replies to DK

Yes and now 100 are in heaven with 72 virgins and many more shall jihad to convert the whole world to one Ummah….AllahLand

Cartoon mohammed (India) replies to vgu

What “indian” muslim.sad that more muslims are dead?

RAJ (INDIA) replies to mos

SO WHO ORDERED THINGS BEFORE 632 AD?

vpsingh (varanasi cantt) replies to Manmohan

you are right brother, I also expressed the same view.

Uday (Mumbai) replies to Sapan Kapoor

There can be no peace with islam. You either convert to Islam or live like a second class citizen, if muslims will allow you to. Look at plight of native hindus in kashmir and Pak.

shepra (Bangalore) replies to Farhan

Probably these comments which you mentioned are because of those activities (not viceversa i guess).. There is not point in being jingoistic when we have so much poverty on eachside.. I believe we should concentrate more on that front.. Actually when Vajpayee visited Pakistan we had so much expectations the relations will be normalised..

Rupert (canada) replies to Indian

Hey Indian, go to Ur beloved Porkistan and settle there. Yes they died serving their country in the occupied territory of India. Yes, one thing for sure, as U give them RIP, they sure are enjoying 72 virgins each, and may be, U also could go and share the booty with them. As for me, I am a Kafir, and I love India, and hate Porkistan, and don’t care how many of them are killed whether in peace or war. My mind set will change, only when they stop sending terrorists into kafirland and peace will prevail. This will not happen in the next million years.

RR (Lon) replies to Surah_Yaseen

You Moron!!!! Your brother / father are still drunk then.

Patriotic Indian (.) replies to Rizwan

If they are supposed to implement peace then why they killed millions of hindus in bangladesh, why they brutally killed hindus while formation of pakistan, why there is gradually declining population of hindus in pakistan, why hindus are treated as third class in Pakistan,why they collaborate with terrorist to attack on Indians. Are these things can not be stopped by Armies of Pakistan. They were not brave, if they were then they would not train thousands of terrorist to attack other nations and other religious people. Time has taken its course , we Indians are always superior to you and always be. We respect all religions but we can not accept if any one staying in India and prasing pakistan. Jai Bhole Nath, Jai Bharath

Rupert (canada) replies to kc

Motherland, which motherland kc is preaching? Does kc know which is his motherland, or is he born in the blind world. Idiot, these vermins are in the occupied part of India. Learn some history, before U make any comments.

Satya (India) replies to JD

Well said…. There are lots and lots of traitors like ashraf living in Kashmir. Their loyalty lies with Pakistanis. They should be thrown out of India immediately….. Just do unto them what they did to Hindus two decades back and then they will know what it is like to lose home.

tamilan (chennai) replies to Thank You God

But remember most Indians have nothing to hide! I mean proper clothing! Still out to teach others! Hypocrites!!

Sasank (India) replies to raj

Tere ko phone aaya tha kiya be?

Zio (india)

The jews spammers are probably busy today doing BEN GURIONS HOLY WORK ________”The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. “This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. “Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan. “It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to MANISH

We are thinking alike; only difference is in the figures;I was thinking at least 700 million

NS (SF)

Hi, I am Indian and former Hindu. I hope they all survive.. who knows all of them would be father, brother, son of somebody who deserve life as much as any of us do.. All these differences are left behind when we die.. lets spend time in peace and love with all others..

a. sharma (UK) replies to Cartoon mohammed

And you with your quarter brain would be envious of that man!

cowmataindia (canadistan) replies to I am Nobody

In case you forgot, 200Mil have no toilets in cow mata india. you need to wipe your own stinky stench dark brown bundas with each other hands.

Free Kashniri (Free Kashmir) replies to Fahim

Buahaha.. If you are a Pakistani, then I am the President of Hindustan! haaahaaaahaaaaa.. C’mon dude.. 10 of your countrymen Indians have hit the like button so far.. that should be good enough to make you happy..the hogwash you are trying to sell here..

Free Kashmiri (Free Kashmir) replies to matkakulfi

Don’t worry about it you Baal-Thakeray-wannabe! Not only we, but the whole world has seen the carnage in Occupied Kashmir, and now its newer versions ongoing in many other parts of Hindu-stan. So how do you like it when the Maoists and Naxals etc get back at your Hindu-stan for your injustices, and kill your uniform walas by the dozens, just like they did a few days back!? And the disgusting and inhuman words you have used only expose once again the never ending pain in the you-know-where all you Indoos have ever since Pakistan was created, signifying the split of your ‘Mother’ India! Too bad, there is no remedy for that kinda pain! And yes, while we all know what your parent organization Shiv Sena has been upto, your desire to kill infants and newborns shows us all what sick and barbaric minds you guys have! You are one sick Indoo! But we don’t have to worry about that.. Your hate is the acid which will destroy the very vessel it contains, YOU!!.. slowly, but surely!

A True Friend (Brindabon) replies to Fahim

If you are truly Fahim from Pakistan, then we must say it is wonderful to know that people like you still exists in that hellish land! What a great comment really! It is indeed a superb post, very honestly and eloquently written and what a pleasure to read it. We wish there were at least five hundred million more Moslems of your kind and only then, the present days unrest would have come down a lot and some sort of peace would also prevail on this planet. I have no problem calling you brother/friend and also welcoming you with open arms in our society. Good work man. Please continue to write and educate as many as you can and also help them to open their eyes until it is too late. Your art of writing is also great. Please keep up and continue. Be good, stay well and God bless!

raghav (kerala) replies to hemal

the No of disagree shows it all…..!!! be human

Sivichan Yadav (Meerut) replies to Fahim

Fahim… We Love pakistani People and Pakistan….We are totally against Terrorism.We hate Terrorism not Islam/Pakistan or Pakistani People.

ashish bharti (india) replies to Fahim

hey brother i know the situation is not very good in pakistan but however it is, it is your country and u should stand 2 make d things better and easier for yourself. the biggest problem is politicians and extremism in pakistan. the extremists group are creating problem and pakistan politics is puppet of these extremists group. the saddest part is many common people support these extremists which makes the situation more worse. i must say just try 2 improve things on basic level. if u can make ur society and ur children and brothers and family and ur friends think as a liberal half of the battle will b automatically won. just try 2 stick 2 latest updates and technology and education (no matter whether the person is HE/SHE)it will help alot. its looking smaller now but it can create an unimaginable effect. every economy depends on supply and demand. d more there is demand there is a need for supply and where the supply comes from???? more and more factories and companies opens 2 fulfill d supply which in turn creates employment. here i cant write in detail but its more than enough 2 make u understand what 2 do n how 2 make ur country go ahead and go going. i dont say india is very developed and it has no problems but here the things are changing very rapidly jus because people r coming out of d extremism mentality and wants 2 avail all d facilities and products which a person of developed country is getting. hence demand increases and 2 fulfill that, more and more small scale and large scale industries are strengthening their roots in india creating lacs of jobs. n its not that u need money for every business. there r hell lot of business which u can start with less investment. self employment is d best employment. so go for it. what about the online business like online selling of fruits and vegetables in metro cities where people dont have time 2 go to vegetable market. there are many odr ideas. u jus need 2 think….. best wishes 4 ur future brother.

xyz (pune)

Bloody slave mentality of Times of India has been exposed in last two paragraphs. They have just licked up the diarrhea of western agencies and spat it at us. It is amazing how many educated Indians are like this. You give them an education and we lick up anything published by western media sources.

Psycho YAHWEH (INDIA)

How many Jews does it take to change a lightbulb? A: 4 – 1 to get a gentile to change the light bulb while 3 hatch a plan to con him off his wages

Tilopa (Indyeah!)

See even nature is cursing the pakis now! That’s why it is said in India ‘dusre ki gaad dhone ke pehle apni dho leni chahiye’ Pakistan get your country and people straight before going on a funny global jihad and adding more people to the muslim ummah(what a joke!) ‘Islam ka kila’ is your desire,when every friggin next day there is a coup in your country :) Hilarious nation,Hilarious Peoples! -Pakistan

God (pakistan) replies to Omar Mulla

Allah want you paki people to die… i am a hindu but I love allah for what he has done to you paki pig coward soldires… Cheers to allah!

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to utho jago tatti-stan ()

kil kill pakistan, maar maar pakistan

tuni (tun)

Two Tunisians have been jailed after they posted naked caricatures of the prophet Mohammad on their Facebook accounts.—————————–The young Tunisians, Jabeur Mejri and Ghazi Beji, have been sentenced to seven years in prison. While Jabeur Mejri is in jail, Ghazi Bej has escaped to Algeria and the sentencing was given in his absence.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to RAJESH

why u staying in delhi then? go to pakistn

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Farhan

so allah is dallah who got a whorehouse in paradise and supplies girls, and then again not 72? what a cheat

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Omar Mullah

yes, and what if non-muslims like us kill muslims? allah will give 144 virgins???

Killer Jeans (India) replies to KHAN

To feed hungry Pakis in Pakistan (and London), duh! BTW, KHAN bhai….. Are you also married to your cousin sisters? Just asking……

Farhan (Melbourne) replies to amaaan Indiaaann

The figure of 72 is probably an imagination of someone down the chain. These are not authentic sayings of prophet. Quran only mention that “Hoors” will be there. It is a promise like many other promises of Allah for his people

jesus (Goa)

hindus are curse & they are worshiping genitals..

RAJESH (DELHI)

THIS SAME SHOULD BE HAPPEN FOR INDIAN SHOULDER ALSO IN SIACHEN

zain (Ger) replies to Raj

Learn not to be coward.

Farhan (Melbourne) replies to Omar Mullah

what nonsense. You cannot be a Pakistani as we call it Azad Kashmir and Indians call it Pak Occupied Kasmir. You are just writing provocative comments to incite people to give further hate filled comments

Message (From Allah) replies to Aftar Ahmed Abbasi

First of all, you shouldn’t pray to God but Allah. Second, WHAT THE FCKK WERE THESE 100 PIGS DOING IN SIACHEN? Who told them to go there? (Kissne bola tha marne ko jaane ka liye)

Omar Mullah (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) replies to Vivek

Yes and now 100 are in heaven with 72 virgins and many more shall jihad to convert the whole world to one Ummah. Renounce false religion and come and join us….come to AllahLand

Atheist (India) replies to mos

sounds like an a**hole to me

Pratap (Halol) replies to kc

where was allah when this alavanche happened? Atleast he should have protected the muslim army by shifting the avalanche towards the kaffir army, just an arms length away. Seee there in no allah, so dont expect any help from him, however terrifying he sounds. Blowing yourself up, killing infidels and going to jannat with those 72 houris and 300 boys for super sex does not work, give up

human (earth) replies to Sura

Guys like you, deny Allah, so that u dont have to obey the commandments, and live like animals. drug, Crime, rapes, nudity,

Nonsense (India) replies to Surah_Yaseen

wait…alcohol is haraam on earth but Allah provides it himself in Heaven…..you guys are so full of sh*t

ashraf replies to Jyoti

Honestly we kashmiri eat only kashmiri rice, yes the rice you are talking is eaten by thousands of biharis who come for the labour in kashmir.For your information we have sacrificed 120,000 kashmiris since 20 years this is the best example of defence from our side ,if you doubt our defence you are most welcome to come to kashmir live freely in my house and see the grave yards day of death age and cause for the death .Click the photos to these graves ,may be some tears will come from common indian people and apologise kashmiris .

rajeevpandey100 replies to tamilan

Oh how we wish Prabhakaran was alive still to blast a few more politicians like, Modi, Digvijay, Sibal, Rahul, Mulayam, Lalu ans Sonia. Republic of India would have been by now Tamil Land & Telengana, Payjamaland & any other you & your Karunanidhi’s , Jayalalithas & Kanimozi’s can think. Soon you guys would also get the same muslim like treatments in this country. A third rated citizen.

MPK (london) replies to mos

why not queen? I dont think it mentioned that allah is king or queen!!

ashraf replies to JD

HD why are you beging and asking kashmiri muslims to vacate kashmir,you have 800,000 armed gunman in kashmir they have killed more then 120,000 kashmiris ,there are 30,000 orphans ,widows ,3000 mass graves.For the country like india it is an easy job to push kashmiris to pakistan.

Bharat (India) replies to ashraf

Migrate to the HOLY LAND. You will find peace there.

Gata (HP)

Both nations need to spend on development and economy but it is the threat of Islamic terror strikes in Indian from Indian Muslims and outside from Pakis that India has to waste lots of money on security. As babies are dying in West Bengal and Indians die in hundreds every day in road accidents, Indian Govt is not doing anything.

A (India) replies to tamilan

Its tamilian.not tamilan porki.

Indian (India) replies to ashraf

Lots of traitors still live in Kashmir

4Fathers (India) replies to ashraf

That is EXACTLY what you will get if you speak against your country India.

ashraf (srinagar) replies to ashraf

I honstly belive some nice humans from my hindu brothern do also agree4 with me ,rest just see the kashmiri muslim name and blindly disagree with me ,that is why we kashmiris dont want to be with this bloody comminal country.

ALPHACHARLIETANGO (india) replies to SierraRomeoMike

Taking your argument right back if Two ameobo had not split millions of years ago HUMANS WOULD NOT EXIST

Yogesh-Suratwala (Auckland)

Here is the latest news, these 100 Pakistanis are fighting among themselves in Muslim heaven as there are only 72 virgins.

WeAreLikeThatOnly (Planet Earth) replies to pth ggg

Put your idealistic nonsense back in the orifice it emanated from. For Pakistanis (be they soldier, civilian or politician) there is no difference between terrorist and soldier. Terrorists are just Pakistani soldiers wearing a “different” uniform. The terrorists a.k.a. “Militants” a.k.a “Lashkars” who launched Kargil war in 1999 were nothing but Pakistani soldiers from 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 11 and 12 Battalion of NLI regiment. That is the same regiment caught in this avalanche. When they lost Kargil war, Pakistan refused to take back their dead soldiers because they lost and because Pakistani would get revealed. Today these same NLI pigs who got buried in the avalanche are being praised as “soldiers” who died for their country.

bundpharr (Pakistan) replies to Fahim

indian pig in inferiority complex posing as pakistani. lol get out of complex you veggie morons.

smart paki (not in pakistan) replies to Shahenshah

a typical paki hallucinating not it ouch with reality but then pakis are very very slow in understanding reality. marriage between couzins are creating a lot of retards like shahenshah death

NRI (USA) replies to Free Kashmiri

Thank Allah’s bulla for the partition – Porkistan is off our list of burdens, the worst of a kind. As can be witnessed world over – a country with a huge begging bowl. I hope you don’t feel ashamed holding a smaller one now that you live in free kashmir.

Nils replies to ashraf

Ashraf is a Pakistani terrorist in Srinagar !!! Dont worry Ashraf Mia slowly but surely your kind is losing the plot in Kashmir !! HAHAHA !!

Asif (Uk) replies to Raj

Are you mad? What allah?

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to KHAN

Because they think thats far better than killing non-hindus and going to heaven for having 72 virgins and sit near by a profet who married a 11 year old girl. satisfactory answer??? then hit agree

Manish (LA) replies to Ashish

Aren’t we behaving like them? Remember this was not a war. We have known to respect every warrior and each death is a tragedy upon mankind. Let not hatred veil your humanity and wisdom. Even lord rama sent laxman to pay respect to dying ravaan.

IndianArmy (Hind) replies to FS

n this laughable army kicked ur butts 4 times since independence , took away ur eastern half, took surrender of 93000 of ur brave hearts, destroyed half of ur navy n airforce !!!!!

aman (Nor) replies to Mumin

U r waiting for 72 virgins goatess in heaven.

Racist white (Eu) replies to kochu1

India ranks 134 in Human Development out of 187. So 133 countries are better than India…… come out of fool’s paradise

Dinesh Patel (US) replies to John Mahmud

I agree we have morons and monkeys.i rest my case.

Psycho YHWH (Israel) replies to jesus

Cmon RSS shaka muni ………jew turd TOI has a try to incite hatred ONE RELIGION AT A TIME POLICY ………..Today its muslims maybe tommorrow on easter you can target Christians

hindutvavaadi replies to indian4ever

mirchi lagi katue???

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toDharma

atleast not false god allah who couldnt protect his flock. ha ha ha ha ha

Ashish (Chennai) replies to John Mahmud

ok dude… how r u dude go nd fk urslf dude

Omar Mullah replies to vikas

Sure you can have my sister and daughter provide you join the ummah..and i get to go to heaven coz i hv brought another lost soul to islam.Allahuakbar

FS (Islamabad) replies to BD

When didn’t it? You seem to be in a very different dimension. And what difference does it make to you or rather what business is it of yours? Worry about your own army, which is, sorry to say, laughable.

proud hindu (hindia) replies to Raj

and why not?

Pshyco YHWH (india) replies to Cartoon mohammed

How many jews does it take to spam TOI ? None THEY ARE ALL USING HINDU NAMES ________________ What do female jewesses use for birth control? A: Their faces. (see the late amy winehouse)_____________A Jewish father catches his son masturbating. He says, “Don’t do that my son, or YAWHE will strike you blind.” The child says, “Father , I’m over here.”

FS (Islamabad) replies to Anand

No you bafoon. we have better things to do than that. you can’t even manage your own country, what the F&^% can u do in weather warfare. The filth you Indians dole out is amazing.

Grazer (USA)

It is a tragedy that a tragedy of this magnitude brightens up hearts on the other side of the line of actual control. It is difficult to imagine normal relations between the two sides under the situation.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to progressive muslim

sorry, we trust jews, not muslims, cant change my heart

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Aftar Ahmed Abbasi

may god kill more and more pakis and give strength to their families, may god kill ALL PAKIS, and gi\ve me strength, to bear the loss of no enemy to fight for

Omar Mullah replies to hindutvavaadi

No Sir, if a Hindoo kills then the law of karma takes place…you might be born as a pig or dog in the next life (rebirth)..thats why its better for you refrain from killing (ahimsa) and reach to your maker in bakti.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toOmar Mullah

yahoo messenger is last messenger

Omar Mullah (Pakistan Occupied Kashmir) replies to dv

No Sir you lie….the holy prophet had only 11 wifes..”According to an account by Anas bin Malik said, “The Prophet used to visit all his wives in a round, during the day and night and they were eleven in number.”….Come and join Islam…we promise me Heaven. AllahuAkbar

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Raj

THANKYOU SIR. muslims dont have a copyright on being fanatics

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to KHAN

same reason muslims drink camel urine

satanic (hell) replies to Omar Mulla

No it will certainly be a old granny with 72 wrinkles. Go and imagine how will you enjoy?

dv (USA) replies to amaaan Indiaaann

Are you trying to say thatHazrat Mohammad was obsessed with women. It is said that he had 59 wives.

aakribhapur (tamilnadu) replies to KHAN

why are you eating the intestine urinary bladder of a cow where the cow dung and urine are produced

aman (nor) replies to Cartoon mohammed

Hilarious !!!

allah (jannat) replies to Aftar Ahmed Abbasi

May allah kill more of coward pakistanis… allah is doing the right thing by killing these rats and pigs. thank you allah.

Truth (Puckistan) replies toSurah_Yaseen

Dearms sold by cunning Mullahs to fool stipd MUslims to die for them. Stuipd die and Mullahs enjoy in this life.lol.

fact (everywhere except Muslimstan) replies toprogressive muslim

dear “progressive muslims”? u once again proved that muslims can’t be progressive!!!!!!!

Sorry To Say (But You Started It) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

Do a DNA test with yourself and Kasab and you will find out that he is your Abba. That means an Indian Farmer boinked your Amma.

Allah (Hell) replies to Omar Mullah

And when WE see fools with black hard hearts WE curse them and bury them in snow. Don’t you see a sign in this, stupid?

Hindu Talib or Fake jew? (india) replies torajeevpandey100

This guy is either a Hindu Talib(singular Taliban fighter ) or a Jew pretending to be Hindu ………Its too close to call

pramod (Kabul) replies to Peterson

Well Said !!!

priyanjan (india) replies to kiran kumar

very very true .. i agree… what you said is truth..

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to V

Let us assume more than one hundred thousand, a reason to have more celebrations

fsdgashgj (India) replies to Chadbad House

all Hindus support Ben Gurion’s statement…if he wants to crush Pakis who cares…he didnt say Muslim, he said Paki…thats why we know you are posting from Pakiland

Sunniest (Sun) replies to GRA

Only morons would dislike the above comment.

Sun (India) replies to Sapan Kapoor

The moment India and Pak withdraw the troops, china will move in – because there is nothing called ‘humanitarian’ in their dictionary. Let Pak take their men out of occupied territory and once that’s assured, we will call our men back. Our brave troops are there to protect our borders as our neighbors are not trust worthy.

Nationlist (India) replies to Sapan Kapoor

Down with MMS and Paki terrorist. Only one solution and that is the complete destruction of Pakistan, Bangladesh and Afghanistan.

hahaha (fu-king aishia) replies to MPK

because alla is a DALLA of homos!

veejay_kay (Mumbai) replies to Saurav Kumar

Bless you peacelover. Be assured every other Indian equally is. I would agree with you if Pakis hand over Dawood, Lakhvi, Maulana Azhar Mehmood above all Chief of LeT Hafiz Sayeed et all. All of them spew venom on India. These criminals with innocent blood on their hands are feted and propped by Pakis for use against us at the drop of a hat. GROW UP! For a change live in real world. Humanism is deserved by those who believe in it. Do the Pakis???

progressive muslim (multan) replies to Raj

You are indeed correctmy friend Raj…just think..there is some truth indeed … the powerful Jewish lobby designed this 9/11 twin-towers incident. Since then all European countries are also making a negative propaganda against the Islam. One can trace again and again: The Jews are evil by nature. Israel can NOT exist more than 5 or 10 years. The history of Israel is baised, highly biased. The Jews writers are working to manipulate the minds of the people. The Zionists are actually not Jewish at all. They are highly nationalist brutal Europeans. Their culture is European, their skin, their hairs – all. In some cases they have a dark skin. The real Jew has a Jewish mother with somewhat darker skin. The oriental Jews must look like the Saudis with a hook nose and curly hairs. Remember: Judaism is NOT Zionism of Theodor Herzl. Herzl was never a religious man. He was a Journalist working for an Austrian (Jewish) newspaper in France in some 120 years ago. He was in Palestine (I think twice). He knew very well that Palestine is not an empty land, but he was a Fascist and manic-depressive man. Later his whole family died in different accidents or drug addictions.

Dharma (Varanasi) replies to Rajani Dada

Kaunsa GOD? all the DEVTAS are busy watching the dance of apsara and drinking wine, hahahah

Rajiv (india) replies to Monk

Indian soldiers wouldnt think twice of shooting Pakitanis on their side ………Thats war If 170 Pak soldiers were killed IN ACTION it would be a cause to celebrate ………This is a time to be HUMAN OK IF YOU CANT BE HUMAN BE INDIFFRENT !!!!!!!THATS NOT ASKING MUCH IS IT?

First prize winnner (india) replies torajeevpandey100

you get the pschopathic madcap prize from the Mumbai mental assyulum —————–Prize sponsored by Mao tse tsung

Ben Gurion Peace Prize (india) replies to Nazam sethi

NAZAM SETHI IS HEREBY AWARDED THE BEN GURION PEACE PRIZE _______ Ben Gurion on Pakistan, published in the Jewish Chronicle, 1967: “The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. “This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. “Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan. “It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”

Nish (US) replies to Omar Mulla

You are sick.

illuminati (USSR) replies to Rizwan

hahahahaha… dude you should try Stand Up!!! but not in India

tamilan (chennai) replies to free advice

when your father died whose side the God was taking?

tamilan replies to rajeevpandey100

Was there a country called India before? It is believed India was made by the British for own good. It may well be an administrative arrangement for the time being before you seperate entitities!! Not too far! their water row will be more than enough!

Raj (india) replies to Mauran

How do you know they were clelbarting your source please???

Nath (NJ) replies to Rizwan

From US to UK you will find hard to get anyone from these nation to express sadness at death of religious zealots that typify the people from these religious paradises.

Indian (india) replies to Alpinaccio Markus

Good post Soldiers deaths can be celebrated only during wartime IN PEACE SOLDIERS ARE HUMANS FIRST

rajeevpandey100 replies to tamilan

Oh I am so sorry , I forgot there was also LTTE & Tamilians like you are still their sympathisers.

GM (Lahore) replies to tumbintumbinster

Dushman mery te khusian na numain Sajjana ve aik din mer jana (Don’t be happy at the death of enemy, One day friends shall also die)

tamilan (chennai) replies to rajeevpandey100

people from Largest mob crazy hiding under democrazy! sorry Democracy! spreading hate campagin everywhere!

Ziopedia (india)

BEN GURION WAS RIGHT THE MUTUAL HATRED IS SO MUCH ANY FALSE FLAG IN ANY COUNTRY COULD TRIGGER A WAR “The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. “This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. “Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan. “It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”

fas (global)

Finally the figure will come to zero, peoples who have bad desire always experience the same trouble, instead of bashing it is nice convey condolence

mala (USA) replies to NS

Those who can’t even stick to their own religion, does not have enough credibility and right to advice others.

Pakipigs (Jihad karo aur maro suaro)

Hey Bhagwan inki Atmaa ko kabhi shanti mat dena ? The all is pigs.

ashraf (srinagar) replies to Nils

dont forget that Nils is not a kashmiri ,simple!.

Evert Wesker replies to Ashish

I won’t bother about datails, but I want to point out that Indian forces went up the Saichen Glacier in 1984, after which this weird high-altitude war started off. I sense that your reasoning is to a large extent based on national pride. (Among Pakistani I observed similar sentiments.) The area (definitively above 4000 m) is highly inaccessible and not suited for any really significant, large scale invasions. If you would send an armoured division across the ~6100 m high Conway saddle it would end up as a very unusual disarmement exercise … As I wrote above I’ve been in both Pakistan and India, and I am aware of the sources of conflict. I’ve talked to miltary men on both sides. Added to your final remark: In both countries I have been able to trek without much hindrance (so your “thankful to the indian army” in general doesn’t apply). Only the highly conflicted areas are inaccessible on both sides. My main point is that resources, much needed in both India and Pakistan for more urgent matters, are wasted in this small scale war. More over: The dying of soldiers in alpine accidents (on both sides!) is in my view hardly to any avail. I know that the conflict about Kashmir is a complex matter. However, a heavy handed approach isn’t very helpful. In the end only a political settlement will do. Finally, remember: Peace, if it happens, is made with enemies. That’s what rally makes a difference. Mazzel & broge / kind regards, Evert Wesker

ashish bharti (india) replies to Fahim

hey faheem u will be helpless till d time u think u r helpless. u have d biggest weapon- THE INTERNET. jus make a grou where all the like minded people like u can come together and discuss the problems of your country. (remember 1 stick has no power but 100 such sticks can can create magic. ) then have an action plan and go for the problems 2 rectify it. start on small scale but when 1000 people will do it in their own areas it will reach lacs of people. rest u r more intellligent 2 understand what 2 do n how 2 do. good luck.

Karkare (india) replies to Anirudh Shandilya

In short he is a Karkare Brahmin and you piggies are either 1 Godse Brahmins 2 Bania/dalit haters 3 Jews pretending to be hindus

bala srinivasan (saginaw.mi.USA) replies to Fahim

Fahim my heart goes out to you&those soldiers buried in the avalanche.I am a proud INDIAN who totally dislike&disagree with your country’s RULERS both civil&MILITARY.But As you said correctly AAM ADMI of pakistan&INDIA are the same want the same things&suffer from same problems.The only differance is in india we can kick their sorry assess if they fail to deliver every few years but in your pseudo democracy the same guys are fooling you.If Pakistani leaders wake up&realise they are like us&not arab like they insist they want to be your country has a good future even now with association with us.But if they continue their usual double dealing&cheating both you & us then I am afraid we CANNOT&WILL NOT be able to help you&YOU ARE DOOMED.

Namo (india) replies to Dinesh Patel

So i see you have officialy changed your name to plain ULHASNAGAR SUSU (US) Patel .Good .We will hire you to train all our police officers in fake US accents(Not ULHASNAGAR SUSU real USA accents)

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

wake up wake up man.. how wuz yer dream???

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to jesus

What if they worship Genitals..?? they arent worshipping on ur genitals right?? How dare u to keep Jesus’ name n say rubbish

aman (Ger) replies to FS

Remember Bangladesh 1971 & Kargil. Awesome Indian army.

prem (india)

Is pakistan sending Saheed and his team to clear it like in Kargil ? or sending some troops also like the one us fired thinking terrorist ?

Prem (india) replies to iSAY

Unless they are part of the terrorist team yeh this is true. You know difficult to tell in paki army who is army and who is terrorist. Thats what US did and killed 24 people thinking terrorist but the paki says they are solders. In kargil Indian solder killed few and said they killed paki army but paki army said they are terrorist. There is a very thin line between paki army and terrorist.

Prem (India) replies to FhreeIndia

so whats your reaction on pakistan and kashmir where it was 20% Non-muslim in 1947 and 2% now. Where are the other 18%…are they dancing nacked in the heaven praying for justice or captive of the evil God killed them

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to tuni

Take few fatwas to make him more famous than he is already. This kind of religious mockery can only happen in intolerant Islam.

zain (ger) replies to KHAN

Camels & pigs urine drinker muslim a$$hole.

Omar Mullah replies to hindutvavaadi

TOI is a English forum…flush your urdu or hindi in the drain or whatever …post in English…Astagrirullah Labaika Allahuma Labaika

atul (perth) replies to Hasan

hindus, christians would tell the same to some islamic comments on some bad indian news with higher percentage stats and the comments anti-islamic are in return opportunistic comment revenge. so its good that someone like you feel and adsmit the revenge feeling..

zain (Ger) replies to FS

Beggars Paki. Mind ur country first. U a$$hole. Leave us alone.Just F.o from here.

kuta (porkistan) replies to Allah calling

dog and pig calling.

NSG (BE) replies to Omar Mulla

There is no hell and no heaven, this is figment of human imagination to keep people like you wasting your precious time praying all day long. Secondly, our sisters, mothers, daughters, aunts etc get reincarnated and dont waste their time in some imaginary paradise with some imaginary prophet waiting for morons who are blown up in pieces…LOL

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toAshish

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha

Psycho YHWH (Telaviv)

What do Jew women use for Birth control Their faces …………..prime example Sandra Bernhard

raj (india) replies to FS

that shows what you do when you attack on india first yes you have other better things to do that is to plan an attack on india… right…

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toashraf

tears for you ppl? I seen graves, I was happy, ONLY 1.20 lakh killed? dont worry we kill ALL 50 lakh in all 7 districts, starting with qazigund.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toashraf

really? apologize or it will be too late? dhamki deta hai? u wanna take on a superpower? tere ghar ka pata de, BSF ka battalion leke pahuchnta hoon, hai dum?

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toashraf

yessss, we push you to pakistan in bodybags, but I keep your muslim sisters for MEEEEEE

Omar Mulla (Pakistan) replies toindian4ever

Thats right…becoz of this the Lord Krishna is in heaven with 72 more virgins and 28 handsome boys!

indian4ever (india) replies tohindutvavaadi

it was lord krishna who kept 1800 plus gopikas in warehouse and satisfied them with fingers

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies todsasdsd

I love killing muslims for jews or otherwise, problem?

Mannangatti Balu (India) replies to v.s.tulpule

But then, will you compromise on abondoning the belt? Will the people on both side compromise? Don’t you think that the Chinese or some other ise..will walk into the belt and take possession? You need every square centimeter of land, man, not only when you are alive but also when you are dead,as your population is increasing geometrically.

kochu1 (Jannath) replies to A Pakistani

yes the Pakis should immediately vacate POK and remove all pakjabis there and there will be peace in one second flat.

khancho* (lundun) replies to Killer Jeans

khan bhai is married to his real sister!!!

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies tohahaha

who supplies 72 virgins

kochu1 (Jannath) replies to Anand

there was an ad in Jannath Times for urgent dispatch of 36000 houris thereby indicating that the causality is 500 terrorists. I am told whole Bn. HQ and supporting staff met their 72 Houris and were screaming for the 28 boys also promised.

sri (usa) replies to jesus

I dont know how u say that we are a curse, but I do agree that we worship strange things, snake, phallus, elephant, cow, sun , rat,..etc . I guess its blind belief that most people worship because they have been brought up that way , and especially in India no one dare question the parents. Do as you are told , maybe things will change and logic will prevail.

kochu1 (Jannath)

I am really sad that the TOI relays this drivel. India is NOT a poverty stricken country anymore. the idiot of a racist white who wrote the report wrote that. It is OBJECTIONABLE. TOI should edit and remove the last two paras forthwith.

allahukabar (LaWhore) replies tohindutvavaadi

yes!! and on this earth, you dont have to wait to go to heaven… just come to pakistan and have all our virgin girls for your pleasure.

vikas (india) replies to Omar Mullah

I think no sensible muslim would give his sister to be someone’s 11 wife. Tell me if i become muslim, can you give me your sister?

Mannangatti Balu (India) replies to Indian

Short of arms and ammunitions, anyway!

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Nationlist

then land will be empty, re-attach it to india

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Since you spoke of blaiming the Jews

we dont believe any muslim conspiracy theory of blaming jews, sorry, cant change my heart, I blame muslims

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Raj

yes, jewish and hindu gods, ha ha ha

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to porki peeg

I am celebrating with a glass of whiskey

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to vgu

yes, we gloat over this news, problem muzzie?

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toFarhan

dont worry we will soon make it ghulam kashmir

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies to Omar Mullah

better we send u to paradise with 72 virgins,

Majid-Master (sasan) replies to ashraf

Please vacate the Indian subcontinent and go to Saudi Arabia where you can serve your masters better and be loyal slaves.

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies topakistani

try pork tastes even better,

KK (Ind.) replies to kaushik

they need to de-radicalize the region. perhaps send hafiz saeed there?

hindutvavaadi (somewhere) replies toKiller Jeans

his real sisters come to meeee

satanic verse (desert cult) replies to amaaan Indiaaann

One is you and the other is the evil spirit who is sodomizing you for all the EVIL wrought on earth.

mumin (Goa) replies to Omar Mullah

u are nothing but a piece of shit..worship linga n genital this is ur fate..

allah (jahannum) replies to Vivek

come to bulla land.. allah

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to CultBuster

they made wounds in Indian army mens genitals and carved a “Moon and Star ” on their face. ie they are converted to Islam after killing them

kaushik (india)

tragic news.. i hope zardari and manmohan take initiative to demilitarize siachen glacier. politics is costing lives of army soldiers on both sides of the border

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to pak govt.

:D :D thats been yer excuse for agess..

Omar Mulla (Pakistan) replies to osama bin laden

No bro, its 72 women not goats…and pls do not condemn them coz they might be you sisters, you daughters and for the matter your own mothers that has accepted Islam while repenting in Neraka (Hell)…Ameen

amaaan Indiaaann (bangalore) replies to Cartoon mohammed

dude go ahead… lmao.. :D

Farhan (Melbourne) replies to Abdul Hadi Khan

Hadi Sahib! you probably live in a fool’s paradise. All is not hunky dory with us. We must not allow Pakistani land to be used for any such acts abroad even thought the perpetrators may be acting in their own capacity

INDIAN (INDIA) replies to Cartoon mohammed

Bhaand me jaye duniye., ka karega muniya… jai bharat., aur sab jao tel lene

KHAN (LONDON) replies to Cartoon mohammed

why on the earth would any hindu drink cow urine and sprinkle it on their food??

Omar Mullah replies to Allah

Come bro, we are prepared to plant our seeds on to your womenfork to transform this world to Dar al-Islam….one ummah…one islam…and Rasulullah is the messenger….Allahuakbar

SHALINI THACKAREY(MNS) (THANE(MUMBAI))replies to Sasank

SMITA THACKAREYS BLOWJOB(BAL THACKAREY) ON YOU TUBE..LAST 2DAYS…

veena malik (pakistan) replies to Rizwan

ab unki biwiyo ko free mein chodenge pak terrorist just like osamas wives…

dsasdsd (india) replies to fsdgashgj

By “all hindus”You mean fake “jew Hindus” and some RSS people? No one else would like to kill for the jews You must be form the chosen land

Real reason for Avalanche (india) replies to Dhanush

HERES THE REAL INSIDE NEWS Rajniikant was shootinga a new top secrata movie with Amma in the Siachen area .When Gadkari and Sasikala who were searching for Amma (for different reasons) reached the area the mountain could not take the combined weight and there was an AVALANCHE

fake “avenger” (india) replies to Arihant

i have vouched to avenge their deadth by one way or another. BY GOING AND STAYING IN AMERICA? WELL MANY INDIANS WANT TO BE SIMILAR “AVENGERS”………..DOnt use myname for your silly fraud

Monk replies to Rajiv

Nature has always played a role in the war. USSR did not help or express regret when Hitler’s or Napoleon’s were killed in Russian winter. They are illegally occupying Kashmir. Expressing sorrow for them is like expressing sorrow for the thief who is illegally staying in your house.

Since you spoke of blaiming the Jews (india) replies to Raj

Oye Vei THAT WAS NATURES WORK (NOT SURE IF NATURE IS JEWISH OR GENTILE ) THIS HOWEVER IS HOLY AND PURE JEW WORK ________1) THE MOSSADS LINK TO THE ASSASINATION OF RAJIV GANDHI _______The justice M C JAIN Report states that 2 Israeli Mossad agents AMOS RADIA and GIORCE BETCHAR are involved in the larger conspiracy to assassinate Rajiv Gandhi using the LTTE source The Jain Commission report says that Saifullah’s deposition establishes the link of Chandra-swami with Mossad and the LTTE. RAW too provided the Commission with inputs, which it had shared with IB, on the activities of Mossad and CIA in India in the year immediately preceding the assassination. The final report mentions AMOS RADIA AND GIORCE BETCHAR as agents operating for the Israelis in India. OUTLOOK MAGAZINE ____________________________________________________ 2)JEWISH SPYING ON INDIA KOCHI: An Israeli couple who came to the city on March 3, 2010, will be deported for “suspicious activities”. SHNEOR ZALMAN AND YAFFA SHENOI came on a multiple-entry visa and rented a house on Rose Street, Fort Kochi, for Rs 50,000 per month, far higher than the market rate. Central intelligence got an alert about a covert operation being carried out by suspected Israeli agents Indian agencies will question two suspected Israeli agents before they are deported. “We have traced the couple’s financial transactions. PRELIMINARY INVESTIGATIONS SUGGEST SIMILAR ISRAELIS ARE CAMPING IN VARIOUS PARTS OF THE COUNTRY,” AN OFFICIAL SAID—SOURCE TIMES OF INDIA ___________________________ 3) The two Israelis with David Coleman Headley …………main accused in 26/11 attacks The missing C-Form of suspected Lashkar-e-Toiba militant David Headley’s C-Form from the CID office in Rajasthan’s Pushkar, which Headley allegedly visited in March 2009 (8 MONTHS BEFORE 26/11), has put the state police in a spot. The hotel owner against whom the Pushkar CID unit registered a complaint for not handing over the C-Form — which must be filled in by foreigners checking into a hotel — to them in March, on Monday submitted an application to the Ajmer superintendent of police claiming he is being implicated for the police’s lapse. Kailash Parashar, the owner of Oasis Hotel, said, “I CLEARLY REMEMBER HEADLEY’S VISIT HERE ON MARCH 11 because it was Holi on that day and I was in charge of the reception. HEADLEY AND TWO ISRAELI TOURISTS CHECKED IN ON THAT DAY”. He added that he collected the three C-Forms and delivered them to the CID office in Pushkar. “The CID has the C-Forms of the other two that day, how come only Headley’s is missing? SOURCE INDIAN EXPRESS

Mahesh Naik (mumbai) replies totamilan

Dont generalise based on your short lungi dressing style to others.

rajeevpandey100 replies to First prize winnner

THANKS & in all capital. I cherish this for entire life. We must be capable to send the asylum doctors to asylum; otherwise there is no fun…

sdas (USA) replies to junoon

Well written Junoon….their PCNS might ask the ” Avalanche ” for an apology for the killing… such is the extent of their thought process.

tamilan (chennai) replies to Sanjiv

Before Hindu it was somethings else! stone age culture! shall we all go back to it? cowshit culture is Hindu culture! still boasting! hypocrites

BEN GURION BIT-H? (INDIA) replies tobelinda

another BEN GURION ID? Ben Gurion on Pakistan, published in the Jewish Chronicle, 1967: “The world Zionist movement should not be neglectful of the dangers of Pakistan to it. And Pakistan now should be its first target, for this ideological State is a threat to our existence. And Pakistan, the whole of it, hates the Jews and loves the Arabs. “This lover of the Arabs is more dangerous to us than the Arabs themselves. For that matter, it is most essential for the world Zionism that it should now take immediate steps against Pakistan. “Whereas the inhabitants of the Indian peninsula are Hindus whose hearts have been full of hatred towards Muslims, therefore, India is the most important base for us to work therefrom against Pakistan. “It is essential that we exploit this base and strike and crush Pakistanis, enemies of Jews and Zionism, by all disguised and secret plans.”

Chadbad House (Mumbai) replies torajeevpandey100

No Indian even the RSS guys would mind that Ben Gurion post YOU MUST BE POSTING FORM INSIDE CHADBAD HOUSE MUMBAI

rajeevpandey100 (Mumbai) replies to Indian

Why don’t you apply for Pakistani citizenship?

Subrato (mumbai) replies to Alpinaccio Markus

WTF are you doing here>>>

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April 7, 2012

Bangladesh 1971

Dr Bose, a senior research fellow at Oxford University – and a former BBC presenter – says the Pakistani army has been “demonised” by the pro-liberation side and accused of “monstrous actions regardless of the evidence”, while Bengali people have been depicted as “victims”.

“This has led to a tendency to deny, minimise or justify violence and brutalities perpetrated by pro-liberation Bengalis,” she says.

Already Bangladeshi academics at home and abroad are lining up to attack her book. One, the Dhaka and New York based writer Naeem Mohaiemen, told the BBC that she was guilty of “pushing her conclusions to an extreme” by arguing that the war was fought between two equally violent sides, “with the Pakistan army using only justified and temperate amounts of retaliatory force”.

He has accused her of lacking sufficient curiosity to unpack the more complex issues behind 1971, “such as why the killings began, why the Pakistan state behaved so brutally and why Bengalis reacted violently”.

Nevertheless, the book is one of the first by a Western author to subject the war to thorough and independent scrutiny.

Dr Bose went through published documentary evidence, travelled to remote areas of Bangladesh to interview elderly villagers and journeyed to Pakistan to question retired army officers.

‘Shocking bestiality’

Her book says the Bengali nationalist rebellion in what was then East Pakistan “turned into xenophobic violence against non-Bengalis” especially against West Pakistanis and mainly Urdu-speaking people who migrated to East Pakistan from India at the time of partition who were known as Biharis.

Continue reading the main story

NAEEM MOHAIEMEN’S RIPOSTE

Naeem Mohaiemen

The bizarre hypothesis of Sarmila Bose’s book is that Pakistani army officers are the most objective source to establish their own innocence.

In fact the interviewee list in her book reveals a distinct selection bias. In Pakistan, she interviewed 30 Pakistani army officers, and three civilians.

In addition four Pakistani army officers are listed as not agreeing to give interviews. So her pool of “expert knowledge” on the Pakistani army’s actions failed to include anyone from Pakistan who has publicly said there was a genocide.

She also relies heavily on Hamoodur Rahman Commission Report, which was done by the post-1971 Pakistan government with the intention of white-washing the war.

Dr Bose takes some gaps in the popular narrative, and then pushes it to an extreme to argue that 1971 was a war between two equally violent sides, with the Pakistan army using only justified and temperate amounts of retaliatory force.

“In the ethnic violence unleashed in the name of Bengali nationalism, non-Bengali men, women and children were slaughtered,” Dr Bose says, arguing such atrocities took place in the towns of Chittagong, Khulna, Santahar and Jessore during and after the 10-month war.

“Non-Bengali victims of ethnic killings by Bengalis numbered hundreds or even thousands per incident… men, women and children were massacred on the basis of ethnicity and the killings were executed with shocking bestiality.”

Some of the worst brutalities were among Bengalis themselves, Dr Bose says, between those who were defending the unity of Pakistan and those who were fighting for the liberation of Bangladesh.

While “the killing of pro-liberation professionals by pro-regime death squads in the dying days of the war stands out as one of the worst crimes of the conflict… brutalisation and elimination of those with a different political viewpoint seemed to be the hallmark of nationalist Bengalis too”.

There is clear evidence, Dr Bose says, of the violence suffered by “non-Bengali victims of Bengali ethnic hatred”.

“Of the corpses reported littering the land and clogging up the rivers, many would have been Bihari… as Bengali mobs appear to have killed non-Bengalis indiscriminately while the Pakistani army appeared to target adult Bengali men.”

In one notorious incident examined by the author in the south-western town of Khulna on 28 March 1971, Bengalis “slaughtered” large numbers of Biharis in the town’s jute mills.

‘Gigantic rumour’

Dr Bose also examines the widely reported suggestion that three million Bengalis were killed by the Pakistani army. These figures are sacrosanct in Bangladesh, where the overwhelming majority of people continue to honour and respect those who died in the liberation struggle.

Dead Reckoning coverThe book’s conclusions are likely to be vigorously contested in Bangladesh

Describing the three million figure as a “gigantic rumour”, she says it is “not based on any accounting or survey on the ground”.

“None of the popular assertions of three million Bengalis allegedly killed by the [Pakistani] army cites any official report,” she says.

“Claims of the dead in various incidents wildly exceeding anything that can be reasonably supported by evidence on the ground – ‘killing fields’ and ‘mass graves’ were claimed to be everywhere, but none was forensically exhumed and examined in a transparent manner.”

Her conclusion over how many died has been roundly rejected by Mr Mohaiemen, who pointed out that Bangladeshis have themselves publicly dissected the problem of “numbers”, going back to 1972 when the three million number was first cited.

“Researchers like Zunaid Kazi documented 12 different media estimates of death tolls. Thus, the implied ‘hook’ of Dr Bose’s book, a claim to being the ‘first’ to dissect the death toll, rings hollow and is self-promotional.

“In any case, whether the death toll was three million or 300,000, does that make it any less of a genocide? That appears to be her intellectually indefensible conclusion.”

Dr Bose does not ignore atrocities carried out by Pakistan and its supporters – her book has several chapters on this subject – concluding its army committed political and extrajudicial killings that in some cases were “genocidal”.

She says: “Ultimately neither the numbers nor the labels matter. What matters is the nature of the conflict, which was fundamentally a complex and violent struggle for power among several different parties with a terrible human toll.”

The Bangladeshi government has so far not commented on her book – but the country’s attitude towards those who express dissenting views about the 1971 war was clearly seen in April when a film about a woman’s love affair with a Pakistani soldier during the conflict was speedily withdrawn amid suggestions it distorted history.

The Indian edition of Sarmila Bose’s book is being published by Hachette India and is due to be released in mid-June. The book is published by C Hurst and Co in the UK and by Columbia University Press in the US.

 

She notes from the accounts of 1971 that the Pakistan Army that killed the East Pakistanis contained Pathans and the Baloch, too, but it was the Punjabi who killed (p.167). In fact, it is said that the Pathans and the Baloch spared the victims. Bose challenges this: there were virtually no Baloch in the Pakistan Army; and some of the top officers who oversaw the killing — like Niazi and Yahya — were actually Pathans.

Bose writes: “West Pakistani sources typically frame the conflict in political terms — as a struggle between maintaining the unity of Pakistan and the secession of East Pakistan to form independent Bangladesh — while Bangladeshi nationalists typically frame it in ethnic terms, as (freedom-loving, democratic) Bengalis versus (colonial, oppressive) Punjabis” (p.170).

She demolishes the national consensus behind ‘liberation’ as expressed in the 1970 elections: “the voter turnout in East Pakistan is given as only 56 per cent, lower than in the provinces of Punjab; (66 per cent) and Sindh; (58 per cent) in West Pakistan. It would appear that 44 per cent of the East Pakistani electorate was too disinterested in the issues of the election to vote, or else had some disincentive to go out to vote” (p.171).

The world accepted the figure of 90,000 Pakistani troops taken as PoW by India. Bose discovers that Pakistan had only 45,000 troops, paramilitary and police in East Pakistan. The PoWs could not have been more than half of the total.

The other item in the national narrative is the “three million” killed by the Pakistan Army. “According to the Bangladeshi authorities, the Pakistan Army was responsible for killing three million Bengalis and raping 200,000 East Pakistani women” (p.177). She thinks the war dead were no more than 26,000 and extracts the figure from the situation reports of the Pakistan Army. Indian officers gave her the figures of no more than “300,000 to 500,000” (p.178).

She adds some ironies too: “Many Hindus were left unharmed by the Pakistan Army during 1971. As the witness accounts show, many Hindu refugees were leaving their villages and fleeing to India not because of any action of the army but because they could no longer bear the persecution by their Bengali Muslim neighbours” (p.182).

She ends by writing: “When the Pakistan Army came for Sheikh Mujib on the night of 25-26 March 1971, he was apprehensive; the soldiers arrested and imprisoned him, accusing him of treason. When soldiers of the Bangladesh Army came for Sheikh Mujib on 15 August 1975, he went to meet them as they were his own people; they killed him and all his extended family present, including his wife, two daughters-in-law and three sons, the youngest a child of ten” (p.183).

Sarmila Bose comment:

In all the excitement about the “Arab spring” it is instructive to remember the 1971 war in South Asia. Then too there was a military regime in Pakistan, easily identified as the “baddies” – and a popular uprising in its rebellious Eastern province, where Bengali nationalists were reported to be peacefully seeking freedom, democracy and human rights.

When the regime used military force to crush the rebellion in East Pakistan, India intervened like a knight to the rescue, resulting in the defeat of the bad guys, victory for the good guys and the independence of Bangladesh… Or so the story went for forty years. I grew up with it in Calcutta. It was widely repeated in the international press.

Several years ago I decided to chronicle a number of incidents of the 1971 war in-depth. I observed that many Bangladeshis were aggrieved that the world seemed to have forgotten the terrible trauma of the birth of their nation. Given the scale of the suffering, that lack of memory certainly appeared to be unfair, but there did not seem to be many detailed studies of the war – without which the world could not be expected to remember, or understand, what had happened in 1971.

My aim was to record as much as possible of what seemed to be a much-commented-on but poorly documented conflict – and to humanise it, so that the war could be depicted in terms of the people who were caught up in it, and not just faceless statistics. I hoped that the detailed documentation of what happened at the human level on the ground would help to shed some light on the conflict as a whole.

The principal tool of my study was memories. I read all available memoirs and reminiscences, in both English and Bengali. But I also embarked on extensive fieldwork, finding and talking to people who were present at many particular incidents, whether as participants, victims or eye-witnesses. Crucially, I wanted to hear the stories from multiple sources, including people on different sides of the war, so as to get as balanced and well-rounded a reconstruction as possible.

As soon as I started to do systematic research on the 1971 war, I found that there was a problem with the story which I had grown up believing: from the evidence that emanated from the memories of all sides at the ground level, significant parts of the “dominant narrative” seem not to have been true. Many “facts” had been exaggerated, fabricated, distorted or concealed. Many people in responsible positions had repeated unsupported assertions without a thought; some people seemed to know that the nationalist mythologies were false and yet had done nothing to inform the public. I had thought I would be chronicling the details of the story of 1971 with which I had been brought up, but I found instead that there was a different story to be told.

Product of research

My book Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War, the product of several years of fieldwork based research, has just been published (Hurst and Co. and Columbia University Press). It focuses on the bitter fratricidal war within the province of East Pakistan over a period of a little more than a year, rather than the open “hot” war between India and Pakistan towards the end. It brings together, for the first time, the memories of dozens of people from each side of the conflict who were present in East Pakistan during the war. It lets the available evidence tell the stories. It has been described as a work that “will set anew the terms of debate” about this war.

Even before anyone has had the chance to read it, Dead Reckoning has been attracting comment, some of it of a nature that according to an observer would make the very reception of my book a subject of “taboo studies”. “Myth-busting” works that undermine nationalist mythology, especially those that have gone unchallenged for several decades, are clearly not to be undertaken by the faint-hearted. The book has received gratifying praise from scholars and journalists who read the advance copies, but the word “courageous” cropped up with ominous frequency in many of the reviews. Some scholars praised my work in private; others told me to prepare for the flak that was bound to follow. One “myth-busting” scholar was glad my book was out at last, as I would now sweep up at the unpopularity stakes and she would get some respite after enduring several years of abuse.

Scholars and investigative journalists have an important role in “busting” politically partisan narratives. And yet, far too often we all fall for the seductive appeal of a simplistic “good versus evil” story, or fail to challenge victors’ histories.

So far the story of valiant rebels fighting oppressive dictators in the so-called “Arab spring” has had one significant blemish – the vicious sexual attack and attempted murder of CBS foreign correspondent Lara Logan by dozens of men celebrating the downfall of Hosni Mubarak in Tahrir Square in Cairo. It initially vanished from the headlines and has still not led to the kind of questioning of the representation of such conflicts that it should have generated. “Tahrir Square” became shorthand for freedom and democracy-loving people rising up against oppressive dictators.

People in other countries started to say they wanted their own “Tahrir Square”. Logan has given a brave and graphic account of what happened to her at the hands of those supposedly celebrating the fall of a dictator and the coming of freedom, democracy and human rights. Her life was saved by burqa-clad Egyptian women and she was rescued by soldiers. Her account endows “Tahrir Square” with an entirely different meaning.

It should caution us against assuming that all those opposing an oppressive regime are champions of non-violence, democracy or human rights. It should alert us to the complexities of political power struggles and civil war, and stop getting carried away by what we imagine is happening, or would like to happen, rather than what the evidence supports.

Such was the impact of the 1971 war on South Asians that the year has transformed into a shorthand for its particular symbolism: 1971, or ekattor, the number 71 in Bengali, has come to stand for a simple equation of a popular nationalist uprising presumed to embody liberal democratic values battling brutal repression by a military dictatorship. But was it really as simple as that? Over time, the victorious Bangladeshi nationalist side’s narrative of Pakistani villainy and Bengali victimhood became entrenched through unquestioned repetition.

The losing side of Pakistani nationalists had its own myth-making, comprising vast Indian plots. Pakistan had been carved out of the British Empire in India as a homeland for South Asia’s Muslims. It was a problematic idea from the start – a large proportion of Muslims chose to remain in secular and pluralistic India, for instance, and its two parts, West Pakistan and East Pakistan, were separated by a thousand miles of a hostile India. In 1971 the idea of Islam as the basis of nationhood came apart in South Asia along with the country of Pakistan, after a mere 23 years of existence. What went wrong? And what do the memories of those who were there reveal about the reality of that war?

The publication of Dead Reckoning has spoiled the day for those who had been peddling their respective nationalist mythologies undisturbed for so long. Careers have been built – in politics, media, academia and development – on a particular telling of the 1971 war. All the warring parties of 1971 remain relentlessly partisan in recounting the conflict. As the dominant narrative, which has gained currency around the world, is that of the victorious Bangladeshi nationalists and their Indian allies, they stand to lose the most in any unbiased appraisal. Unsurprisingly therefore, the protests from this section are the shrillest.

Mixed reaction

The reaction to the publication of Dead Reckoning by those who feel threatened by it has followed a predictable path. First, there has been an attempt to damn the book before it was even available. Apart from random rants on the internet – which provides opportunity for anyone to rail against anything – reports have been written by people who haven’t read the book, citing other people who also haven’t read the book. The reason for this may be summed up as the well-founded fear of “knowledge is power”.

When people read the book they will be far better informed as to what really happened in 1971. Hence the desperate attempt by those who have been spinning their particular yarns for so long to try to smear the book before anyone gets the chance to read it. A few people also seem to be trying to laud the book before reading it, an equally meaningless exercise. These commentaries are easy to dismiss: clearly, those who haven’t read the book have nothing of value to say about it.

Second, detractors of the book claim that it exonerates the military from atrocities committed in East Pakistan in 1971. In reality the book details over several chapters many cases of atrocities committed by the regime’s forces, so anyone who says it excuses the military’s brutalities is clearly lying. The question is – why are they lying about something that will easily be found out as soon as people start reading the book? The answer to this question is more complex than it might seem. Of course the detractors hope that by making such claims they will stop people from reading the book.

Part of the answer lies also in that the book corrects some of the absurd exaggerations about the army’s actions with which Bangladeshi nationalists had happily embellished their stories of “villainous” Pakistanis for all these years. But an important reason for falsely claiming that the book exonerates the military is to distract attention from the fact that it also chronicles the brutalities by their own side, committed in the name of Bengali nationalism. The nature and scale of atrocities committed by the “nationalist” side had been edited out of the dominant narrative. Its discovery spoils the “villains versus innocents” spin of Bangladeshi nationalist mythology.

A key question about the “controversy” over Dead Reckoning is why this book is stirring such passions when other works do not. One reason for this is that there are precious few studies of the 1971 war based on dispassionate research. This is the first book-length study that reconstructs the violence of the war at the ground-level, utilising multiple memories from all sides of the conflict.

Two eminent US historians, Richard Sisson and Leo Rose, published the only research-based study of the war at the diplomatic and policy level twenty years ago. Their excellent book, War and Secession: Pakistan, India and the Creation of Bangladesh (University of California Press, 1990), challenged the dominant narrative, but their work does not seem to be known among the general public as much as within academia.

However, a crucial reason for the special impact of Dead Reckoning has to do with who the author is. I am a Bengali, from a nationalist family in India. As Indians and Bengalis our sympathies had been firmly with the liberation struggle in Bangladesh in 1971. The dominant narrative of the 1971 war is the story as told by “my side”, as it were. My reporting of what I actually found through my research, rather than unquestioningly repeating the partisan narrative or continuing the conspiracy of silence over uncomfortable truths, is thus taken as a “betrayal” by those who have profited for so long from mythologising the history of 1971.

It is important to note that not all South Asians subscribe to the myth-making. One eminent Indian journalist thought that my “courage, disregard for orthodoxy and meticulous research” in writing Dead Reckoning made me “the enfant terrible of Indian historians”. A senior Bangladeshi scholar has found it “fitting that someone with Sarmila’s links with Bengali nationalism should demonstrate that political values cannot be furthered by distorting history.”

South Asians are prone to conjuring up all manner of conspiracy theories when faced with unpleasant realities, but those looking for one for Dead Reckoning are at a loss, as the only explanation for what it contains is that it reconstructs what really happened on the basis of available evidence.

The process of dismantling entrenched nationalist mythologies can be painful for those who have much vested in them, but the passions stirred by the publication of Dead Reckoning has sparked the debate that the 1971 war badly needed – and set on the right course the discussion of this bitter and brutal fratricidal war that split the only homeland created for Muslims in the modern world.

Sarmila Bose is Senior Research Fellow in the Politics of South Asia at the University of Oxford. She was a journalist in India for many years. She earned her degrees at Bryn Mawr College (History) and Harvard University (MPA and PhD in Political Economy and Government.)

Dead Reckoning: Memories of the 1971 Bangladesh War is published by C. Hurst and Co. and Columbia University Press.

The views expressed in this article are the author’s own and do not necessarily reflect Al Jazeera’s editorial policy.

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March 31, 2012

AGENT VINOD CRUSHES PAKISTAN

The plot for Agent Vinod played by Saif Ali Khan, an actor of Pakistani heritage like salman khan, dilip kumar, shah rukh khan etc, plays the role of a Tamil super-agent.  A horrible event takes place and indeed it is the dastardly enemy Pakistan that is responsible. There is no context given. Pak has attacked simply because it is evil and has a genetic tendency to do evil. India is entirely innocent and has never shown anything but generosity. No historic, socio-political, geo-strategic background is provided. No mention of Kashmir, AFSPA, Amnesty International, HR violations or Indian

What Pakistanis look like in Indian Movies

 

What Indians look like in Indian Movies

hegemony, post-partition land-grabbing, hyderabad-junagarh-kashmir hypocrisy, Mukti bahini etc. etc. (yawn type stuff)The insult to india’s honor must be avenged.  Agent Vinod has fully mobilized. 10,000 jawan braves (hritik roshan look-alikes) have been pojitioned on india’s 1600 mile border with Mordor (pakistan) and its 160 million orcs. Arjun tanks with trishul canons are armed and ready to fight pakistan’s armored donkey-carts. Completely indigenous, ninth-generation, fighter jets with an uncanny resemblance to the russian Migs are scrambled to combat pakistanis on their flying camels.Another 1 million braves are pojishuned shturtejikally in the kashmir valley to ‘protect’ unarmed kajmiri civilians from unarmed kashmiri civilians. There is no native indpendence movement, only 350 brainwashed, non-kashmiri super-militants from Karachi’s subzee bazaar. The kashmiris rejoice and kiss good-looking bollywood heroes for protecting them from the phantom occupation force of talibanistan. To show appreciation, handsome indian captain breaks into a synchronized song-and-dance number, gori-gori kashmiris join them. even the ugly extras in the back get muslima partner in shocking pink mini-skirt. (Coincidentally, dance marks the 1 millionth time, michael jackson’s dance routine has been plagiarized).Meanwhile, from the black land of shadows (rawalpindi), Sauron (ISI chief) looks down upon his legions of orcs ready to pounce upon the city of shirepur, cyberabad, slumgarh and the crown jewel.. opensewerabad.  No doubt using teleportation devices provided by Beijing, they trasport orc agents disguised as dalits, maoists, assamese, kashmiris to forment non-existent separatist movements. In fact, two of Vinod’s unmarried, virgin cousins are pregnant. Both noble indian women have blamed an ISI-planted boyfriend. RAW is investigating the ‘mysterious’ conception. Baby is showing early signs of pakistani genes (horns, inability to reason, claws, a wicked yorker and a hostile attitude towards bullies in the neighborhood). A dossier of said evidence has been sent to Sarumon Zardari by express HPRR. (Human-powered rickshaw rocket)

Pakistani Road in Bollywood

Indian Road in Bollywood

India retaliates by placing all U.N. resolutions and the whole world supports India that Kashmir is not disputed territory but an intejeral part of India.  Indian jets bomb the Propaganda wing of ISI,  Amnesty International headquarters and Human Rights Watch headquarters.

Indian city in bollywood

Pakistani city in Bollywood

Now is the moment that Akhand bharat and Achoot Tang are happening! Agent Vinod summons the power of emperor chootiyapa lalgaand from 23rd century B.C. Lalgaand the II appears on the horizon and instructs Agent Vinod to “reclaim” the “rest” of India.  Agent Vinod is sent to Pakistan, where all pakistani women fall in love with his indian machismo, fair complexion and dance-numbers.  The daughter of a general falls in love with our hero.  Super-Agent Vinod springs into action. Cold Start doctrine is initiated, India declares simultaneous offensive wars on all former Indian territories: Pak, Bangladesh, Aghanistan, Bhutan, Burma, malaysia, Vietnam, Somalia, the pacific ocean, uganda, england and Uranus.

While managing a romantic triangle, Agent vinod takes on two armoured cores of pak military and single-handedly defeats the enemy with his bare hands and pelvic thrusts dance moves. A army of khans is no match for vinod khan. A hapless pak army fires a missle, vindo, simply punches it.   There is even a dance number where agent vinod dances with pak agents extras.. the pakistani love interest falls in love not only with vinod’s rugged good looks but also his sense of humanity, his noble purpose and wants to run off with him to Secular Switzerland of South Asia.

The End

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March 14, 2012

Allama Iqbal in Roman Urdu and English **Translation** | Shiqwa

kyon ziaan kaar banun, sood framosh rahoon 
fikr-e-farda na karum, mahw-e-ghum-e-dosh rahoon,?

Why should I abet the loss, why forget the gain, 
Why forfiet the future, bemoan the past in vain?

 

naale bulbul ke sunoon, aurhama tan gosh rahoon, 
hamnawa main bhi koi gul hoon ke khamosh rahoon?

Hear the wail of nightingale, and remain unstirred, 
Am I a flower insensate that will not say a word?

jurrat aamoz miri taab-e-sakhun hai mujhko, 
shikwa allah se khakam badahan hai mujhko.

The power of speech emboldens me to speak out my heart, 
I’ll sure be damned, I know, if fault my God. 

_______________ 
ai khuda shikwa-e-arbab-e-wafa bhi sun le, 
khu gar-e-hamd se thora sa gila bhi sun le.

Hear, O Lord, from the faithful ones this sad lament, 
From those used to hymn a praise, a word of discontent.

thi to maujood azal se hi teri zaat-e-qadim, 
phool tha zeb-e-chaman, par na pareshan thi shamim;

Enternally were you present, Lord, eternally omniscent, 
The flower hung upon the tree, but without incense.

shart insaaf hai, ai, sahib-e-altaf-e-amim, 
boo-e-gul phailti kis tarah jo hoti na nasim?

Be Thou fair, tell us true, O fountsinhead of grace, 
How could the scent spread withoutthe breeze apace? 
_______________ 
hum se pahle tha ajab tere jahan ka manzir, 
kahin masjood the pather, kahin maabood shajar,

The world presented a queer sight ere we took the stage, 
Stones and plants in your stead were worshipped in that age.

khugar-e-paikar-e-mahsoos thi insaan ki nazar, 
maanta phir koi un-dekhe khuda ko kyonkar?

Man, being inured to senses, couldn’t accept a thing unseen, 
How could a formless God impress his senses keen?

tujhko maalum hai leta tha koi naam tira? 
quwwat-e-baazoo-e-muslim ne kiya kaam tira!

Tell me, Lord, if anyone ever invoked Thy name, 
The strength of Muslim arm alone restored Thy fame.

_______________ 
bas rahe the yahin salijuq bhi, toorani bhi, 
ahl-e-chin cheen mein, iran mein sasaani bhi,

There was no dearth of peoples on this earth before, 
Turkish tribes and Persian clans lived in days of yore;

isi maamoore mein aabad the yunaani bhi, 
isi duniya mein yahudi bhi the, nusraani bhi,

The Greeks and the Chinese both bred and throve, 
Christians as well as the Jews on this planet roved.

par tire naam pe talwar uthai kis ne, 
baat jo bigri huri thi who banaai kis ne?

But who in Thy holy name raised his valiant sword, 
Who set the things right, resolved the rigmarole? 
_______________ 
the hameen ek tire maarka aaraaon mein! 
khushkion mein kabhi larte, kabhi dariyaon mein,

We were the warrior bands battling for Thy cause, 
Now on land, now on water, we the crusades fought.

di azaanen kabhi europe ke kaleesaaon mein, 
kabhi africa ke tapte hue sahraaon mein.

Now in Europe’s synods did we loudly pray, 
Now in African deserts made a bold foray.

thi na kuchh teg zani apni hakumat ke liye, 
sar ba-kaf phirte the kya dahar mein daulat ke liye?

Not for territorial greed did we wield the sword, 
Not for pelf and power did we suffer the blows. 
_______________ 
qaum apni jo zar-o-maal-e-jahan par marti, 
but faroshi ke iwaz but shikni kyon karti?

Had we been temped by the greed of glittering gold, 
Instead of breaking idols, would have idols sold.

naqsh tauheed ka har dil pe bithaya hum ne, 
zer-e-khanjar bhi yeh paigham sunaya hum ne.

We impressed on every heart the oneness of our mighty Lord, 
Even under the threat of sword, bold and clever was our call.

tu hi kah de ke ukhara dar-e-khyber kis ne, 
shaher qaiser ka jo tha us ko kiya sar kis ne?

Who conquered, tell us Thou, the fearful Khyber pass? 
Who vanquished the Imperial Rome, who made it fall?

_______________ 
tore makhluq khudawandon ke paikar kis ne? 
kaat kar rakh diye kaffaar ke lashkar kis ne?

Who broke the idols of the primitive folks? 
Who fought the kafirs, massacred their hordes?

aa gaya ain laraai mein agar waqt-e-namaz, 
qibla roo ho ke zamin bos hui qaum-e-hejaz,

If the prayer time arrived right amid the war, 
With their faces turned to Kaaba, knelt down the brave Hejaz.

ek hi saf mein khare ho gaye mahmud-o-ayaz, 
no koi banda raha aur no koi banda nawaz.

Mahmud and Ayaz stood together in the same flank, 
The ruler and the ruled forget the difference in their rank.

_______________ 
banda-o-sahib-o-muhtaaj-o-ghani ek hue, 
teri sarkar mein pahunche tau sabhi ek hue.

The rich and poor, Lord and slave, all were levelled down, 
All became brethern in love, with Thy grace crowned.

mehfil-e-kaun-o-makaan mein shar-o-shaam phire, 
mai-e-tauheed ko lekar sift-e-jam phire.

We roamed the world through, visited every place, 
Did our rounds like the cup, serving sacred ale.

dasht tau dasht hain, darya bhi na chhore hum ne, 
bahr-e-zulmaat mein daura diye ghore hum ne.

Forget about the forests, we spared not the seas, 
Into the dark, unfathomed ocean, we pushed our steeds.

_______________ 
safah-e-dahar se baatil ko mitaya hum ne, 
nau-e-insaan ko ghulami se chhuraya hum ne,

We removed falsehood from the earth’s face, 
We broke the shackles of the human race.

tere kaabe ko jabeenon se basaya hum ne, 
tere quraan ko seenon se lagaya hum ne.

We reclaimed your Kaaba with our kneeling brows, 
We pressed the sacred Quran to our heart and soul.

phir bhi hum se yeh gila hai, ke wafadar nahin, 
hum wafadar nahin, tu bhi tau dildar nahin!

Even then you grumble, we are false, untrue, 
If you call us faithless, tell us what are you?

_______________ 
rahmaten hain tiri aghiyar ke kashaanon par, 
barq girti hai to bechare musalmaanon par!

You reserve your favors for men of other shades, 
While you hurl your bolts on the Muslim race.

yeh shikait nahin, hain un ke khazane maamur, 
nehin mehfil mein jinhen baat bhi karne ka shaoor,

This is not our complaint that such alone are blessed, 
Who do not know the etiquette, nor even can converse.

qahar tau yeh hai ke kafir ko milen hoor-o-qasoor, 
aur bechaare musalmaan ko faqt waada-e-hoor!

The tragedy is while kafirs are with houries actually blest, 
On vague hopes of houries in heaven the Muslim race is made to rest!

_______________ 
taan-e-aghiyaar hai, ruswai hai, nadaari hai, 
kya tere nam pe marne ka iwaz khwari hai?

Poverty, taunts, ignominy stare us in the face, 
Is humiliation the sole reward of our suffering race?

hum tau jeete hain ke duniya mein tira naam rahe, 
kahin mumkin hai saqi na rahe, jaam rahe?

To perpetuate Thy name is our sole concern, 
Deprived of the saqi’s aid can the cup revolve and turn?

teri mehfil bhi gai, chahne wale bhi gaye, 
shab ki aahen bhi gaien, subah ke nale bhi gaye,

Gone is your assemblage, off your lovers have sailed, 
The midnight sights are no more heard, nor the morning wails;

_______________ 
dil tujhe debhi gaye, apna sila le bhi gaye, 
aa ke baithe bhi na the, ke nikaale bhi gaye.

They pledged their hearts to you, what is their return? 
Hardly had they stepped inside, when they were externed.

aae ushaaq, gaye waada-e-farda lekar, 
ab unhen dhoond chirag-e-rukh-e-zeba lekar!

Thy lovers came and went away, fed on hopes of future grace, 
Search them now with the lamp of your glowing face.

dard-e-laila bhi wohi, qais ka pahlu bhi wohi, 
nejd ke dasht-o-jabal mein ram-e-aahoo bhi wohi,

Unassuaged is Laila’s ache, unquenched is Qais’s thirst, 
In the wilderness of Nejd, the wild deer are still berserk.

_______________ 
ishq ka dil bhi wohi, husn ka jaadoo bhi wohi, 
ummat-e-ahmed-e-mursil bhi wohi, tu bhi wohi,

The same passion thrills the hearts, enchanting still is beauty’s gaze, 
You are the same as before, same too is the Prophet’s race.

phir yeh aazurdagi-e-ghair-sabab kya maani, 
apne shaidaaon pe yeh chashm-e-ghazab kya maani?

Why then this indifference, without a cause or fault? 
Why with your threatening looks dost thou break our heart?

ishq ki khair, who pehli si ada bhi na sahi, 
jaada paimaai taslim-o-raza bhi na sahi,

Accepted that the flame of love burneth low and dim, 
We do not, as in your, dance attendance on your whims;

_______________ 
kabhi hum se, kabhi ghairon se shanasaai hai, 
baat kahne ki nahin, tu bhi tau harjaai hai.

But you too, pardon us, possess a coquettish heart, 
Now on us, now on others, alight your amorous darts.

ahd-e-gul khatam hua, tut gaya saaz-e-chaman, 
ur gaye dalion se zamzama pardaaz-e-chaman.

The spring has now taken leave, broken lies the lyre string, 
The birds that chirped among the leaves have also taken wing;

ek bulbul hai ke hai mahw-e-tarannum ab tak, 
us ke seene mein hai naghmon ka talatam ab tak.

A single nightingale is left singing on the tree, 
A flood of song in her breast is longing for release.

_______________ 
qumrian shaakh-e-sanober se gurezaan bhi huin, 
pattian phool ki jhar jhar ke pareshan bhi huin;

From atop the firs and pines the doves have flown away, 
The floral petals lie scattered all along the way.

who purani ravishen bagh ki weeran bhi huin, 
daalian parahan-e-barg se uriaan bhi huin.

Desolate lie the garden paths, once dressed and neat, 
Leafless hang the branches on the naked trees.

qaid-e-mausim se tabiat rahi aazad uski, 
kaash gulshan mein samjhta koi faryaad uski.

The nightingale is unconcerned with the season’s range, 
Would that someone in the grove appreciates her wail.

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chaak is bulbul-e-tanha ki nawa se dil hon, 
jaagne wale isi baang-e-dara se dil hon.

May the nightingale’s wail pierce the listeners’ hearts, 
May the clinking caravan awaken slumbering thoughts!

yaani phir zinda naye ahd-e-wafa se dil hon, 
phir isi bada-e-deereena ke pyaase dil hon.

Let the hearts pledge anew their faith to you, O Lord, 
Let’s re-charge our cups from the taverns of the past.

ajmy khum hai tau kya, mai tau hejaazi hai miri, 
naghma hindi hai tau tya, lai tau hejaazi hai miri.

Through I hold a Persian cup, the wine is pureHejaz, 
Thought I sing an Indian song, the turn is of the Arabian cast.

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February 9, 2012

Kashmiris are an integral part of India

Summertime unrest roils Kashmir, again
SRINAGAR, India (AP) — It is summertime in Indian-controlled Kashmir and the streets are roiled by unrest. Young separatist protesters in jeans and bandanas hurl rocks at Indian troops, who respond with tear gas, baton charges and live ammunition. At least 11 people have died in the past three weeks of street violence, and a round-the-clock curfew is in force. Shops, businesses, schools and government offices are shut. Authorities have postponed college examinations and have blocked text messages on cell phones in an attempt to prevent demonstrators from mobilizing. It is the third summer in a row that deadly protests have erupted, a symptom of the tensions permeating this Muslim-dominated Himalayan region, which has long chafed under Indian rule and is patrolled by hundreds of thousands of troops. A two-decade-long Islamic insurgency has waned but popular anger has not. Even moderate Kashmiris hoping for greater autonomy within India, which is predominantly Hindu, have been frustrated by the government. There is a long history of separatist movements in Kashmir, which has been divided between archrivals India and Pakistan since 1947. Most were peaceful until 1989, when the bloody armed insurgency erupted, demanding India’s part of the region merge with Pakistan or get independence. (24 images)[/SIZE]
[/IMG]Kashmiri Muslim protesters beat an Indian police officer during a protest on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Monday, June 28, 2010. One person was killed as paramilitary forces fired warning shots to disperse thousands of people in a funeral procession that defied a curfew in Indian Kashmir Monday, police said. AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]Indian policemen question Muslim girls on their way to an Islamic seminary during a curfew in Srinagar, India, Wednesday, June 30, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]Kashmiri women walk apst an Indian Central Reserve Police Force (CRPF) soldier standing guard during restrictions in Srinagar on June 22, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat
[/IMG]Kashmiri school children shout slogans against security forces in Srinagar on June 15, 2010 during a protest over the killing of Tufail Ahmad Matoo. Protests continued for the fourth consecutive day in parts of Srinagar after the death of the teenager Matoo on June 11. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat
[/IMG]Kashmiri muslim protestors shout anti-Indian slogans during a protest in Srinagar on July 1, 2010. Thousands of Indian troops enforced a strict curfew in parts of Kashmir in a bid to stem three weeks of deadly protests that have claimed 11 lives and led to soaring tensions. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Stranded pilgrims look out from a bus after the annual Amarnath pilgrimage was suspended, in Jammu, India, Wednesday, June 30, 2010. The annual pilgrimage has been temporarily halted in different places of Jammu region due to tension mounting in the region. Authorities brought new areas under curfew in the Indian portion of Kashmir on Wednesday to control the worst street violence in a year, triggered by the killing of 11 people allegedly by government forces over the past two weeks. AP / Channi Anand
[/IMG]Kashmiri protesters throw stones at police and paramilitary soldiers during a protest in Srinagar on June 12, 2010. Thousands of Muslims defied strict security restrictions and marched to chants of “we want freedom” in Indian Kashmir’s summer capital Srinagar to protest the death of a teenager. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat
[/IMG]Kashmiri Muslim protesters attack an Indian police vehicle with rocks and sticks during a protest on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Monday, June 28, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]A Kashmiri protester throws a stone at an Indian police and paramilitary vehicle during a protest in Srinagar on June 12, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat
[img]Kashmiri demonstrators attacks an armoured police jeep attempting to drive away from the scene during violent protests in the outskirts of Srinagar on June 28, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]A policeman holds bricks to throw at protesters in Srinagar, India, Tuesday, June 29, 2010. On Tuesday, shops, businesses and government offices were shut in Indian Kashmir as thousands of troops in riot gear patrolled the main city warning people to stay indoors and not participate in pro-independence protests, said a Srinagar resident. AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]Policemen throw stones at Kashmiri protesters in Srinagar, India, Tuesday, June 29, 2010. AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]Kashmiri protestors clash with Indian police in Srinagar on July 1, 2010. Thousands of Indian troops enforced a strict curfew in parts of Kashmir on June 30, stemming three weeks of deadly protests that have claimed 11 lives and led to soaring tensions. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Kashmiri protestors clash with Indian police officials during a demonstration on the outskirts of Srinagar on June 28, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Indian paramilitary soldiers beat a Kashmiri civilian during a protest in Srinagar, India, Wednesday, June 30, 2010. AP / Mukhtar Khan
[/IMG]A Kashmiri throws stones on Indian paramilitary soldiers during a protest in Srinagar, India, Wednesday, June 30, 2010. AP / Mukhtar Khan
[/IMG]Kashmiris throw stones at paramilitary soldiers during a protest in Srinagar, India, Thursday, July 1, 2010. Authorities imposed an indefinite curfew in parts of Srinagar and key towns on Wednesday as street protests and clashes surged in the region leaving at least 11 dead over the past three weeks in firing blamed on police and paramilitary soldiers. Banner reads “Our struggle will continue till we achieve our right to self determination.” AP / Dar Yasin
[/IMG]A Kashmiri Muslim protester beats an Indian policeman during a protest on the outskirts of Srinagar, India, Monday, June 28, 2010. AP
[/IMG]A Kashmiri protestor (L) runs from an Indian policeman during a demonstration on the outskirts of Srinagar on June 28, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Kashmiri demonstrators evacuate a wounded comrade after police opened fire during violent protests in the outskirts of Srinagar on June 28, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Kashmiri Muslim women mourn near a body of a Kashmiri Muslim in Kashmir’s main hospital in Srinagar on June 27,2010. AFP / Getty Images
[/IMG]Kashmiri lawyers shout pro-freedom and anti India slogans during a protest in Srinagar on June 24, 2010. Dozens of lawyers in Indian Kashmir Thursday marched in the main business district protesting against the recent killings of three youths by government forces. AFP / Getty Images / Tauseef Mustafa
[/IMG]Kashmiri onlookers watch the funeral procession of Javid Ahmad Malla in Srinagar on June 20,2010. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat
[/IMG]Kashmiri mourners carry the coffin of a teenager 17-year-old Tufail Ahmad during a funeral procession in Srinagar on June 12, 2010. AFP / Getty Images / Rouf Bhat

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February 9, 2012

Pakistani flag hoisted in Southern India

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February 9, 2012

Why Pakistan was created: Godhra Train Likely Staged

Source: http://www.outlookindia.com/printarticle.aspx?224884

Sometime in the run-up to the assassination of Mahatma Gandhi by Nathuram Godse, the UP police made a sensational discovery. A house used by RSS supremo Guruji Golwalkar had been raided and two locked trunks recovered. When B.B.L. Jaitley, the inspector general of police, opened the trunks, what he found shook him to the core. There before him lay a detailed district-by-district, qasbah-by-qasbah blueprint for the physical elimination of the province’s Muslims.Jaitley took the trunks to Rajeshwar Dayal, the seniormost civil servant in the home department at the time, who promptly conveyed the gravity of the discovery to G.B.
Police raids at a house used by Golwalkar found blueprints for the elimination of Muslims

Pant. The documents “revealed incontrovertible evidence of a dastardly conspiracy to create a communal holocaust…. The trunks were crammed with blueprints of great accuracy…prominently marking out the Muslim localities…. Timely raids conducted on the premises of the RSS had brought the massive conspiracy to light,” recalled Dayal in his autobiography,A Life of Our Times, published in 1998. He sought the immediate arrest of Golwalkar on conspiracy charges but the chief minister, to Dayal’s disgust, prevaricated long enough for Golwalkar to go underground. Soon thereafter, Dayal was drafted into the Indian Foreign Service and the matter of the steel trunks was given a quiet burial.That plan may never have been put into action but the clerical efficiency with which the RSS and its kindred organisations have sought periodically to target Muslims for attack suggests the parivar’s penchant for planning and organisation has continued down to the present. What happened in Gujarat from February 28, 2002, is a case in point.

Far from being a spontaneous mass reaction to the attack on the Sabarmati Express at Godhra the day before in which 58 Hindu passengers died, the killings across most of Gujarat seemed scripted. So well chosen were the targets that it is almost as if there was already in place a plan to do something dramatic as part of the ongoing Ayodhya agitation, probably in order to polarise the state on communal lines in the run-up to state elections that the BJP might have had some difficulty winning on the basis of its actual performance.

If Godhra hadn’t happened, would it have been necessary to invent it? I don’t know, but the Godhra incident itself is so shrouded in mystery that it is almost as if the official narrative which emerged within minutes and hours of the train being consumed by fire is an invented one, conveniently conjured up to provide the “rationale” for the pogrom which had simultaneously been ordained.

It is difficult to ask ‘What if Godhra had not happened’ when we still do not know what exactly happened at Godhra. The official account, as put out by Gujarat chief minister Narendra Modi, is that a large Muslim mob assembled on the railway tracks outside Godhra station stopped the Sabarmati Express and launched a premeditated attack on coach S-6, killing 58 passengers. The official chargesheet says one or more members of the mob boarded the coach and poured some 60 litres of petrol inside before setting it on fire. This dastardly attack, according to the BJP’s narrative, in turn provoked a “reaction” throughout Gujarat which claimed the lives of nearly 2,000 Muslims. Had Godhra not happened, the Muslims would not have been killed. Action-Reaction. When a big tree falls, the earth is bound to shake. I regret what happened after Godhra, A.B. Vajpayee told the party faithful at Goa in April 2002, “Lekin aag lagayi kisne? (Who lit the fire?)”.

These Newtonian certitudes begin to break down when we consider the holes in the official account. Passengers who were on board the targeted coach, and let there be no doubt that an angry mob was attacking S-6, have testified before the ongoing Nanavati-Shah Commission of Inquiry that they saw no one from the mob entering the coach and pouring petrol inside. The Forensic Science Laboratory (FSL) report makes it clear the liquid could not have been thrown from outside. It says no trace of petroleum hydrocarbons was recovered from the burnt coach, raising questions about the identity of the flammable material which destroyed the coach that morning. How the train caught fire, whether or not there was intent—and if so, on the part of who—are questions which nobody can answer. Why the BJP government never conducted a comprehensive scientific probe to solve the puzzles raised by the FSL report is a mystery.

Had Godhra not happened, would Naroda Patiya have burned, would Ehsan Jafri have been killed, the Best Bakery been destroyed and Bilkis Bano been raped? These questions are deeply problematic because they are tainted by the bankruptcy of the Sangh parivar’s moral arithmetic. When you have an organisation like the VHP whose cadres are capable of the most horrific violence, when you have a police force that is willing to let innocent citizens be attacked, and when you have chief ministers and prime ministers who offer post-facto justifications for genocide, it is a dangerous delusion to believe the Gujarat violence occurred because of Godhra. The Gujarat violence happened because the government wanted it to. Godhra was just the excuse.

Godhra has infected our polity in a particularly pernicious way because the incident marked the first time that revenge was elevated to the status of moral code and official policy in such a blatant and sustained manner. When Rajiv Gandhi justified the 1984 genocide of Sikhs with his callous throwaway remark about the earth shaking when a big tree falls, it evoked widespread revulsion. Mention 1984 and even the most die-hard Rajiv loyalist today appears to display a certain shabby shame-facedness at the idea that the killing of Indira Gandhi by two Sikhs or the motivated rumour of Sikhs distributing sweets could somehow justify the monstrous killings which followed. But the Sangh parivar and BJP leaders today continue to believe that Godhra fully justifies the mass killing of Muslims which followed. I am not looking for expressions of remorse or guilt. That would be foolish, apart from being quite irrelevant. What I want to see are some signs that the Indian polity has learnt the lessons of Godhra and after and will never again permit genocide. And what I see is simply not enough.

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February 4, 2012

Pakistani Entrepreneur: People Magazine’s Most Eligible Bachelors of America

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